Yep, even a worse case scenario we suck on D for 1 year, but at least Mullen can learn a lot about recruiting. O taught Freeze everything he knows.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rayburn8
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Yep, even a worse case scenario we suck on D for 1 year, but at least Mullen can learn a lot about recruiting. O taught Freeze everything he knows.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rayburn8
Look at bc's defensive ranking. Michigan is fine too, but that isn't a viable lateral move.Quote:
Originally Posted by engie
Funny. Correlation does not equal causation.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoopsDawg
LOL, BC's coordinator went to Michigan already.Quote:
Originally Posted by gravedigger
I agree. Ole Miss is eating our lunch in recruiting. We've got to try something different.Quote:
Originally Posted by Op4isabitch
This is it's own answer. A guy that's raced up through the ranks multiple times -- enough to be entrusted with head coach duties twice -- but never enough to be entrusted with calling a defense. Do you think this is some revolutionary idea MSU fans came up with regarding Ogre that no one else in the administrations around the country has considered to gain his recruiting prowess? The fact that -- in 2 decades -- no one has pulled the trigger even once -- gives tremendous reason for pause. I think that's in his personality.Quote:
Originally Posted by Op4isabitch
Maybe. He just strikes me as a disaster at trying to call a defense. Recruiting and strategizing/scheming are so different they are not even connected traits in any way. I want the chess master calling the defense -- not the class favorite.Quote:
For all we know he may be the next Dick LeBeau.
If you want to give him a "defensive coordinator" title and a million dollars -- and hire someone else to actually call the defense and coach linebackers -- fine. All for that.
The instate rival -- with the x's and o's DC that they don't even ask to recruit really.Quote:
At this point I'm all for going in a different direction than we have in the past. What we've been doing isn't going to work any longer, we are being passed up by our instate rival. We have to do something different.
My only point -- overall -- is there is ONE position on staff that IDGAF about having a "recruiter" -- and that position is DC. It's the most important x's and o's position we have. I would have thought that the Orange Bowl where we turned it over to the rest of the staff would have proven that not just anyone can jump in and be a DC. Particularly in the day of the hurry up offense...
No. He does not have the personality to work for Mullen. He'd end up putting him in the hospital.Quote:
Originally Posted by Op4isabitch
Their defenses at BC have been awesome. I'm well aware. That doesn't change the fact that Don Brown is Michigan's defensive coordinator now. And DJ Durkin, Michigan's previous DC, is head coach at Maryland.Quote:
Originally Posted by gravedigger
Engie I am pretty sure you can agree that O wouldn't coach the defense like the pus$y bend don't break scheme we've seen the last forever. He might not be the smartest X's and O's guy but he WILL have an extremely motivated defense that wants to bust everyone in the mouth. He is a phenomenal recruiter too. I am more than fine with O coaching our D next year.
I was against O last year as well, but now I'm not.
It's become clear to me that this program needs a kick in the ass to go from good to great, & to do that, we may have to take some risks.
I am fully aware that O doesn't have DC experience, & I'm fully aware that that lack of experience could cause him to suck at being a DC & blow up in our faces.
However, the upside is worth it for me. It would be a splash hire that would get plenty of coverage and immediately improve recruiting. I also think that O would be a great motivator & get our guys playing faster & more physical.
Again, if we are going to move up a notch in this conference, we have to get our of our conservative ways & take a chance. Now is that time.
He's a realistic candidate as a hell of a DL coach and an amazing recruiter.
He's only a candidate if you can make him feel like he is a DC..without letting him actually call the plays.
Dang. Gotta keep up better.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoopsDawg
My bad engie. Just haven't kept upQuote:
Originally Posted by engie
My LSU friends thought Coach O was going to be their DC a couple of days ago, don't know what happened.
LSU hired the best available DC in the country is what happened...Quote:
Originally Posted by IMissJack
That part of our fan base, to which I may or may not belong, does not care if he is qualified to coordinate a defense. They just want them highly rated recruits mane.Quote:
Originally Posted by engie
We Are....Quote:
Originally Posted by confucius say
Oleeeee....
Missssss....
I'm normally on the "if O was a good DC he'd be a DC" train....but **** it....It's not like we didn't get torched by every competent offense we faced this year, so O probably won't do any worse. AND we will recruit better. Hell, give him a 1 year deal for $750k....if our defense sucks next year, fire him after he helps us finish this year's class & recruit next year's. What have we got to lose at this point? It's not like next year we're expecting 10 wins or wanting to send Dak off a winner. BRING ON DA WILDBOYS!!
Not the head coach....just the DC/Crootin Coordinator. Would actually make some sense. I don't agree with going 100% recruiting, & no development...but hiring O would give us a good mix u would think.Quote:
Originally Posted by engie
This is kind of how I feel as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by CadaverDawg
I completely understand what Engie is saying & believe that what he is saying is correct 90+% of the time, but I think it may be time to take a risk. If it blows up, it blows up.
I just don't see this program being able to take the next step unless we improve our talent level & take some risks. The move would offer us immediate credibility on the recruiting trail & I actually think would the defense to play extremely hard and fast. Surround him with competent Xs & Os guys, & think it could work.
I'll trust Mullen on this because I don't think he'd hire a clueless Xs & Os guy. If he hires O, he believe there is something between the ears.