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12-20-2015, 05:51 PM
Op4isabitch

And Scott does the same thing, it's incumbent on him to do it as the AD.

The only thing that Ole Miss does better than us is coordinate their efforts. We have the people, money and facilities, what we don't have is coordination of our available resources.
12-20-2015, 06:29 PM
OurState

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Originally Posted by maroonmania

I don't think we are going to be owning OM anytime soon as long as they are allowed to continue to recruit with their current methods with no NCAA repercussions. I still sit here amazed that we've been on probation over the trivial crap at the end of Jackie's tenure and the Will Redmond car discount while they are giving out more than both of those cases combined just as incentives for guys to make official visits, much less to sign on a routine basis. In fact, at OM's current pace they could become a yearly threat to AL in the SEC and have a good chance to compete for the CFP. That's just the lay of the land at the moment. We still have some very, very good things going on with our football program (well minus the OL) but we just don't have the coaching staff, administration or booster base willing to organize and play the game (i.e. cheat) at the level required to bring in nationally elite recruits like the school up the road is currently doing to consistently compete at a national level. I mean there are just limits to how high you can climb primarily being a developmental program. SO, yes I want to beat OM as much as anyone BUT we've lost to them the last 2 years while compiling a record of 18-6 in the process. Yet we don't seem to be able to take much if any joy in that. IMO we are just going to have to transition, as a fanbase, from judging our season so much strictly on how we perform against OM in the Egg Bowl. It looks like we are going to be fighting an uphill battle there from a sheer talent standpoint in the near future as the vast majority of teams will when they play OM so we need to not pin our hopes so much on winning that game to consider ourselves having a successful season. If we had gone 18-6 over the past 2 years with 2 Egg Bowl wins we would all be ecstatic. Anyway just food for thought.

It's the golden age of cheating. The NCAA is toothless. All this talk about what the NCAA wil do to Ole Miss is as realistic as Santa coming down the chimney. We need to learn to cheat better or learn to enjoy dominating the last 3 q's of the egg bowl.
12-20-2015, 06:39 PM
Coach34

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Originally Posted by Jacksondevildog

AJ brown?
Kobe Jones?
Scott Lashley?
Jeffrey Simmons?

Jones and Lashley will end up at State. The other two are in question.

AJ is not in question....and our guys tell me Simmons is Leo Lewis 2106 version. We'll see
12-20-2015, 06:41 PM
Coach34

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Originally Posted by Op4isabitch

The only thing that Ole Miss does better than us is coordinate their efforts. We have the people, money and facilities, what we don't have is coordination of our available resources.

This 100 damn percent
12-20-2015, 06:41 PM
Op4isabitch

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Originally Posted by Coach34

AJ is not in question....and our guys tell me Simmons is Leo Lewis 2106 version. We'll see

You better be firkin right about this coach or no Easter basket for you!
12-20-2015, 06:47 PM
Coach34

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Originally Posted by Op4isabitch

You better be firkin right about this coach or no Easter basket for you!

AJ doesnt worry me- trusting them on Simmons does. OM people are confident- and so are some of our guys. We will see
12-20-2015, 09:11 PM
Spiderman

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Originally Posted by Op4isabitch

And Scott does the same thing, it's incumbent on him to do it as the AD.

The only thing that Ole Miss does better than us is coordinate their efforts. We have the people, money and facilities, what we don't have is coordination of our available resources.

Like I said the other day, they institutionally recruit, have so for years, and they are damn good at it and until we do it, we will always suck hind tit
12-20-2015, 09:50 PM
maroonmania

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Originally Posted by Op4isabitch

And Scott does the same thing, it's incumbent on him to do it as the AD.

The only thing that Ole Miss does better than us is coordinate their efforts. We have the people, money and facilities, what we don't have is coordination of our available resources.

Well first, before you even talk about coordinating, you have to have folks in place willing to recruit all out like that. But the deal is do we have a staff and an administration willing to use financial incentives to recruit the more elite prospects? No, I don't think so, not if they have to provide any direction for it or have even any knowledge about it. Do we have a staff and an administration willing to allow a "Girls Gone Wild" type weekend for our prospects when they come in on visits even if they aren't involved? No, I don't think so. Do we have a staff and an administration willing to go after players that could help us win but have a checkered past and even run ins with the law like a Kelly or a Stringfellow? No, I don't think so on that either. So its more than coordination and its more than just the illegal financial benefits, its also some of the things they do to have a better football team that are legal but distasteful. Like has been said, they are determined to win up there and are all pulling in the same direction with a "whatever it takes" mentality. I don't believe we have enough folks willing to cross some of those lines to win football games.
12-20-2015, 10:05 PM
Todd4State

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Originally Posted by maroonmania

Well first, before you even talk about coordinating, you have to have folks in place willing to recruit all out like that. But the deal is do we have a staff and an administration willing to use financial incentives to recruit the more elite prospects? No, I don't think so, not if they have to provide any direction for it or have even any knowledge about it. Do we have a staff and an administration willing to allow a "Girls Gone Wild" type weekend for our prospects when they come in on visits even if they aren't involved? No, I don't think so. Do we have a staff and an administration willing to go after players that could help us win but have a checkered past and even run ins with the law like a Kelly or a Stringfellow? No, I don't think so on that either. So its more than coordination and its more than just the illegal financial benefits, its also some of the things they do to have a better football team that are legal but distasteful. Like has been said, they are determined to win up there and are all pulling in the same direction with a "whatever it takes" mentality. I don't believe we have enough folks willing to cross some of those lines to win football games.

A lot that is because it seems like whenever we get a guy to transfer in- even clean guys like Christian Ducre or Brandon Maye- it doesn't have a huge impact for us.

I would like to see us write into Dan's contract financial incentives for landing a top 15, top 10, and top 5 class.
12-20-2015, 10:07 PM
Op4isabitch

I think I summed up exactly what you typed in a short, succinct fashion.

Wether it be by choice or not our only short coming when compared to the confederates is our lack of coordination.

Personally, I'd prefer not to cheat. However if we don't we need to be content with our 7-8 win seasons.

The reason Hugh Freeze was hired is because the micro penis faction at UM needed someone who would willingly cheat. At sometime, hopefully very soon that house of cards will come tumbling down!
12-20-2015, 10:12 PM
Political Hack

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Originally Posted by Spiderman

I bet you if you could find "Da Champ" Snoop Brassell on some corner somewhere, Tobias Singleton Manning and Pat Pat and offer them about a grand apiece to tell the story of their and CJ's recruitment, you could bring the whole rotten thing down.

Media members have tried to pay Pat Pat. He wouldn't do it.
12-20-2015, 11:40 PM
mic

In-state recruiting isn't an issue when it comes to Us vs Them..
It's out of state with the highly rated recruits where they have the leg up...
12-21-2015, 12:03 AM
RougeDawg

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Originally Posted by mic

In-state recruiting isn't an issue when it comes to Us vs Them..
It's out of state with the highly rated recruits where they have the bag up...

Think that's what you meant.
12-21-2015, 12:58 AM
Todd4State

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Originally Posted by mic

In-state recruiting isn't an issue when it comes to Us vs Them..
It's out of state with the highly rated recruits where they have the leg up...

This is a great point and here is something kind of scary to think about if you are Ole Miss....what if we continue to dominate in state recruiting and then we start signing a few elite out of state guys like Fred Ross every year? Let's say we sign 13 out of the top 15 Mississippi players and then two to three 5 star out of state guys. That still leaves us about 9-10 spots typically for JUCO's, diamonds in the rough or other out of state guys from Memphis, Louisiana, or Alabama. Just a random guess but that would probably equate out to about 7-10 four or five star guys a year at least.

If we start hauling in even 1-2 legit out of state five star guys based on current trends we'll easily match and exceed them from a talent standpoint. Looking at their past few classes, they had five guys on their roster that were five star players out of high school- one was Channing Ward. The other four were the guys they got in the 2013 class, and three of those were out of state guys. The other was from Oxford and they probably would have landed him no matter who their coach was.

Next year, they will only have three five star guys assuming things stay as is- Patterson, Little, and Conner. Anyway- my point is those four five star guys that they got in 2013 are probably the biggest reason why they have been successful the past few years. And if we can continue to do what we are in state and then simply add in a couple of 5 star out of state guys we will pass them. Personally, I think that's probably doable.
12-21-2015, 08:57 AM
shannondawg

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Originally Posted by Dawgcentral

Not sure what you're talking about. Big money guys have their own boxes/seating. LT would travel the skyboxes greeting folks. Used to see it before just about every game. If I didn't see him in the box I visited, I usually saw him out in the walkway.

When LT couldn't make it, you get a visit from an associate A.D.

I'm talking about before the East Side was expanded and suites were added.
12-21-2015, 09:01 AM
shannondawg

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

Naming them on a public message board would only potentially serve to undermine us.

Well how about sending me a PM with their names?
12-21-2015, 09:04 AM
BrunswickDawg

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Originally Posted by Op4isabitch

I think I summed up exactly what you typed in a short, succinct fashion.

Wether it be by choice or not our only short coming when compared to the confederates is our lack of coordination.

Personally, I'd prefer not to cheat. However if we don't we need to be content with our 7-8 win seasons.

The reason Hugh Freeze was hired is because the micro penis faction at UM needed someone who would willingly cheat. At sometime, hopefully very soon that house of cards will come tumbling down!

It's funny. Before last year, if you set aside the coaching/recruiting criticisms (which come and go with every coach), there was a pretty strong consensus on this board that the path we were on and the way we were building was the best path for State. It would take a number of years to get to Natty Contention due to our SECW competition and our resources and our admins insistence that we not shortcut it and shoot ourselves in the foot via sanctions again (or OM meddling), like it has every time. Consistent bowl team, 7-9 win seasons dependent on schedules, with the once every 3-4 year getting us to 10-11 wins, and once a every 8-10 years possibly really challenging the big boys.

We actually hit those timelines and everyone wants to chuck it all and go "all in", which has been our death every time. For whatever reason - we suck at playing the game. We end up getting played by OM (see Devinner - no offense Hack), getting someone with an agenda after our ass (see Jackie's NCAA investigator & Bob Tyler), or blowing our wad on the wrong players (see Sydney, Renardo or Jackie's JUCOs). All we end up with is a coach run off, the perception that "State never wins without cheating", and more misery and bitching. Well that shit sucks worse than having a sandy vag when we don't make a NY6 or lose to Bama again. It makes me appreciate 8 wins, and the years like last year where we overcome that stuff and win.

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