Well, O'donnell and Washington decommit

I said "NO ONE," but I do think most on this board get it. This place doesn't seem to pride itself on bashing kids who decide that they like one of the other 100 schools available to them over Miss State. Maybe we'll continue to have enough class to wish them luck and simply cut ties.

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Originally Posted by Political Hack

people don't get it. NO ONE at State gets it. It continually amazes me how the entire MSU culture from joe blow fan, to our big boosters, to our staff, to our compliance department do not understand that everyone has to pull in the same direction on the rope all together. It doesn't work any other way... especially not for a middle of the pack SEC West school that has to split it's small home state with another SEC school.

Internet cool > MSU success for so many of our "fans."

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+1000

Completely 100% agree.

Hack,

I think it is a dang shame you have guys that were running up and down their boards to break news first during the Redmond deal. It's stupid. You think guys at Bama or any other SEC school would try to break something like that just to get site views? Hell no..we are seriously our worst enemy. Just take a look at some of our prospects twitter pages. It amazes me how we lack in this regard. If it was me, I would have every frat penny up to throw one big concert on the biggest recruiting weekend we have. Simple stuff like that needs to start being done for us to start competing at the high level everyone wants us to.

God. Our fans have ZERO insight into the future. NONE. I remember watching Tony Conner as a FRESHMAN at South Panola. I knew he would be a great player then. I've seen Robert Washington and Conner O'Donnell on film and they are going to be good players as well. The kind of players that you want in a program and can elevate it. But no we have fans that act like idiot jackasses because a kid might not be 150% committed and never take another visit anywhere else ever. THAT'S NOT HOW RECRUITING WORKS. "Well, by golly if you don't want to come here we don't want you." I want to get those people a kill yourself now kit. Or at the very least take their Internet access away.

Last year Nkemdiche and pretty much everyone else that Ole Miss got visited other places were rumored to go to other places and all were guys that they had to fight for and work for. Chris Jones visited other places. I can name any damn school- hell Ala****ingbama had kids that visited other schools and had guys that they had to fight for. Did their fans go apeshit? NO. Probably not.

I can't wait to read Rick Cleveland's "What coulda happened if Robert Washington went to State" article about ten years from now after he leads whomever to a National Title.

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Hack,

I think it is a dang shame you have guys that were running up and down their boards to break news first during the Redmond deal. It's stupid. You think guys at Bama or any other SEC school would try to break something like that just to get site views? Hell no..we are seriously our worst enemy. Just take a look at some of our prospects twitter pages. It amazes me how we lack in this regard. If it was me, I would have every frat penny up to throw one big concert on the biggest recruiting weekend we have. Simple stuff like that needs to start being done for us to start competing at the high level everyone wants us to.

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Scott needs to get control of our message boards yesterday.

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Originally Posted by Political Hack

people don't get it. NO ONE at State gets it. It continually amazes me how the entire MSU culture from joe blow fan, to our big boosters, to our staff, to our compliance department do not understand that everyone has to pull in the same direction on the rope all together. It doesn't work any other way... especially not for a middle of the pack SEC West school that has to split it's small home state with another SEC school.

Internet cool > MSU success for so many of our "fans."

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Post of the year.

Being GenesPage regarding discussing games, coaching, etc of on campus activities. Bad.

Going NSA, Gestapo, KGB regarding those not yet here. Necessary. Zero tolerance. Until a kid commits AND signs with another program you keep anything to yourself.

There's a reason I don't follow crootin, I'm too opinionated. So are many others that do speak about crootin. I think crootin is very important, but with no means to 'hepp' there is nothing for me to concern myself on the subject. There is a PM option for you people... Also a chat room. Use it.

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Hack,

I think it is a dang shame you have guys that were running up and down their boards to break news first during the Redmond deal. It's stupid. You think guys at Bama or any other SEC school would try to break something like that just to get site views? Hell no..we are seriously our worst enemy. Just take a look at some of our prospects twitter pages. It amazes me how we lack in this regard. If it was me, I would have every frat penny up to throw one big concert on the biggest recruiting weekend we have. Simple stuff like that needs to start being done for us to start competing at the high level everyone wants us to.

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It's worse than that. We had a Miss St "recruiting analyst" advising an overweight money hungry blackmailing con-man to talk to the press just because the recruiting analyst didn't like me. By the end of that press frenzy I was pretty sure I was a member of the Taliban. That "analyst" would never be allowed on Auburn, Ole Miss's, Bama's, UT's, LSU's, or any other legitimate SEC program's campus again... I can't understand why anyone follows that guy. He rips kids when they "play the game" that he makes his living following. He didn't go to state, graduate from state, own season tickets, donate to the bulldog club, anything... He has ZERO emotional attachment to state and his actions to burn me despite the repercussions to the university are a glaring example of his level of dedication to OUR alma mater.

Got lost here. Who are you talking about?

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I am going to leave it at this:

I know for a fact Washington was showed the messages of people on SixPack bashing his uncle. That did not sit very well with him. Washington is a talent. Having Eli Johnson in his hear probably didn't help very much either.

I also know that every time something bad happens as far as recruiting is concerned and we start trashing a kid it gets shown to them. Times have changed and kids want to feel the "love" from fans. Rather it be on twitter, etc. I am a student at State so I don't think it is as weird for me to do it as some of you. Hell if Ole Miss and the rest of the SEC is doing why the hell can we not get on the wagon a do it? Oh and on the terms of Ducre. His little cousin is coming out next year. Supposedly the kid is a stud and it is down to us and LSU. Likewise, it's down to us and Florida for Torrey Dale's little cousin.

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Nailed it.

In today's world -- if you are talking about someone online in a publicly accessible format, you better damn well be ready for them to get it with google notifications and read it...

This is just example #137482016 of our fans being stupid, unintelligible, and underestimating their personal impact.

Until we fix this basic shit, we don't deserve to be good.

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Nailed it.

In today's world -- if you are talking about someone online in a publicly accessible format, you better damn well be ready for them to get it with google notifications and read it...

This is just example #137482016 of our fans being stupid, unintelligible, and underestimating their personal impact.

Until we fix this basic shit, we don't deserve to be good.

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I completely agree. But how do we fix it? People will post anything because computers make them tough and witty.

I don't visit other teams' boards, so I don't know how common of a problem it is or how they handle it.

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Got lost here. Who are you talking about?

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nobody from Starkville

The Suxpeckers need to be put out of their misery. That board is garbage. HD6 is the worst.

Well the uncle did say we were still their number 1 and how he feels they end up signing with us. So, maybe its best for everyone, fans included, to step back and get on the same damn page. At this point, what other choice do we have.

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Well the uncle did say we were still their number 1 and how he feels they end up signing with us. So, maybe its best for everyone, fans included, to step back and get on the same damn page. At this point, what other choice do we have.

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Yeah- it sounds to me like they all want to get together and clear the air. I think that's probably a good thing.

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Yeah- it sounds to me like they all want to get together and clear the air. I think that's probably a good thing.

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Yeah good luck with any of this actually happening...Our fans are notorious for flipping the f out and making a self fulfilling prophecy out of what happens next... Hope I'm wrong on this one...

Both guys are ELITE and are the lynchpins to us ever becoming a semi- elite recruiting school. Losing Washington = losing 5-7 4* to 5* athletes from all around the country that are as well-coached and developed as ANYONE you ever see coming out of highschool...

I see a lot of bitching but not a lot of solutions. Unless someone can convince message board moderators, mostly SPS, to delete any threads or posts regarding such bashing of recruits, how do you stop it?

One problem is we have a massively successful FREE board. I don't know about other SEC schools, but OM certainly doesn't have one- nafoom is a joke right?

If we want to play the game we are going to have to get dirty. Like one of these post mentioned, they weren't sure if the uncle was legit or an OM fan. Might be an OM fan because they play hardball. Maybe we should start up some fake accounts and stir their pot.

With regards to Washinton, don't give up yet. Time heals all wounds. 3 years is A LOT of time for anyone, especially when it's 1/5 of someone's current lifespan. How about we focus the energy on getting back in his good graces rather than giving up and pouting.

I wish this was solely an SPS problem but to my knowledge the actual attacking of his uncle was on a pay board.

To any of you still saying that it is the kids problem because he has to be able to accept competition just drop it, that had basically nothing to do with the explosion of BS from our fans.

Here is basically how it went down:

Fans: So why is Robert visiting other places... Let's start 5 threads to get his uncle to answer.

Uncle: Honestly guys he is a little mad over how MSU offered another RB in the class of 2016 after saying they wouldn't so he knows he has to keep a good rep with other staffs. No worries though he is still all Dawg and recruiting people everywhere he goes.

Actual Fans: Oh that other 2016 offer? No worries that kid is a db just happens to be listed at rb (insert list of other RB recruits now playing other positions for us) Sorry about the confusion make sure he talks this through with the coaches for sure!

Message board heroes: ARE YOU KIDDING ME?! WHAT A JOKE! HOW STUPID IS HE TO NOT STOP LOOKING AROUND JUST BECAUSE HE ISN'T THE ONLY KID WE RECRUIT. HE MUST SUCK. ALSO- WHO THE HELL ARE YOU? JUST SOME "UNCLE" AFTER A QUICK HAND OUT HUH?!?!

Uncle: Guys... I just said he was a little upset calm down... Our family is still all Dawg and my elite son in the class after Robert is likely going to commit at the first MSU home game in the fall. We love it at MSU.

Message board heroes: Why are we even wasting time with this family of recruits that is scared of competition? What a waste. I wish we'd recruit better. Anyone know why the staff can't recruit better than kids with "uncles" trying to shop kids around?


That's pretty much how it went and it was effin ridiculous.

Perhaps all the message board owners could come to an agreement to ban posters who are causing trouble for MSU recruitment.

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I see a lot of bitching but not a lot of solutions. Unless someone can convince message board moderators, mostly SPS, to delete any threads or posts regarding such bashing of recruits, how do you stop it?

One problem is we have a massively successful FREE board. I don't know about other SEC schools, but OM certainly doesn't have one- nafoom is a joke right?

If we want to play the game we are going to have to get dirty. Like one of these post mentioned, they weren't sure if the uncle was legit or an OM fan. Might be an OM fan because they play hardball. Maybe we should start up some fake accounts and stir their pot.

With regards to Washinton, don't give up yet. Time heals all wounds. 3 years is A LOT of time for anyone, especially when it's 1/5 of someone's current lifespan. How about we focus the energy on getting back in his good graces rather than giving up and pouting.

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Yep. Keep grindin everybody!