Prescott's Physique: Foreshadowing for the Future?

He's lost weight to be quicker running the ball

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Originally Posted by BeastMan

I'm really wondering what you read because let me quote some things from the article:

"noticeably slimmed down dak"
"changing his body"
"trimmed down dak"
"What does a body change mean for Dak as a QB"
"body recomposition is a direct result of what scouts told him"
"Changing body tells me he wants to be a more fluid and smooth in his athleticism... improving footwork which in turn helps accuracy"
"If we're letting strengths of the offense dictate what we'll see it has to be more passing"
"Dak decided to lose some weight and remake his body"
"Signs point to Dak leading a more pass-centric offense"

No where in that article did I ever mention pass first or present any change in Dak's body as a negative. If you don't think Dak took his NFL feedback and put that into his preparation for his senior year, I don't know what to tell you.

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You just quoted and contradicted yourself at the same time.

Calm down, dude. We may just be looking at things from the opposite side of the street. Like how people tend to describe the same accident differently. Y'all see changed his physique "considerably". I see a logical progression of his workouts. It was the next step and no big deal to me. It doesn't mean his body is that much different from last year or that our offense will change its focus.

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Originally Posted by Coach34

He's lost weight to be quicker running the ball

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exactly. Why are people thinking losing weight makes you throw it better? That's stupid. He'll be a better runner dropping some weight. It won't have anything to do with throwing the ball.

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Originally Posted by scottycameron

exactly. Why are people thinking losing weight makes you throw it better? That's stupid. He'll be a better runner dropping some weight. It won't have anything to do with throwing the ball.

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Losing weight doesn't make you throw the ball better but reshaping your body making you more flexible does. Being a big ball of muscle is great for running on 3rd & 2 but it doesn't help with your passing or mechanics. He's reshaping his body to be a better player. Running, passing, everything.

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Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew

Losing weight doesn't make you throw the ball better but reshaping your body making you more flexible does. Being a big ball of muscle is great for running on 3rd & 2 but it doesn't help with your passing or mechanics. He's reshaping his body to be a better player. Running, passing, everything.

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He is getting NFL ready.. Which means better Dak and better Dak for MSU this year...

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Originally Posted by mic

He is getting NFL ready.. Which means better Dak and better Dak for MSU this year...

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Which is the most important thing that needs to be taken away from all of this.

What it means to me is that in the 4 OOC games, he better run the ball less than 10 times total, unless they are broken plays.

Save the pounding for when we need it.

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Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew

Which is the most important thing that needs to be taken away from all of this.

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100% correct

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Originally Posted by MSUDawg4Life

You just quoted and contradicted yourself at the same time.

Calm down, dude. We may just be looking at things from the opposite side of the street. Like how people tend to describe the same accident differently. Y'all see changed his physique "considerably". I see a logical progression of his workouts. It was the next step and no big deal to me. It doesn't mean his body is that much different from last year or that our offense will change its focus.

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This is what it boils down to in its simplest form without splitting hairs: I think Dak changed his body. I think we throw more. You disagree with both points.

You have to understand what you're arguing and the likelihood of it being a good argument, particularly Dak's workouts just taking a natural next progression. This is the deal. Dak has been on campus for over 4 years. His body has been composed 1 way for 3.5 years (muscular, bulky, thick). So you mean to tell me that he got a draft grade with feedback in December and then in 6 months his body looks different than it has for the previous 3.5 b/c of a natural progression? Come on man.

I've been lifting weights for 15 years. You have to understand that Dak is in the top 1% in genetic makeup for build and athleticism. You're body just doesn't change like that in 6 months unless he made a big change in how he wanted it to be. Now it boils down to why and what is his motivation? I think Dak's biggest motivation is the NFL. He identified a plan of attack to prepare himself to improve on what the scouts told him. Dak's change isn't some chance deal b/c he's a workout warrior. Dak and the MSU know exactly what they are doing and are dialing in exactly where they want to dial in.

have any of you given thought to the idea that maybe, just maybe, our younger QBs (Fitz and Staley) will get some opportunities to come in on those short yardage situations in order to get the 1st down with a QB run? Mullen has used the bigger, younger QBs in that fashion everywhere he has been - Utah, Bowling Green, Florida, Miss State. I would think that some of the heavy hitting will fall on their shoulders at times this season in order to take some load off of Dak's back....pun intended.

had to get that one in there

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Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew

Losing weight doesn't make you throw the ball better but reshaping your body making you more flexible does. Being a big ball of muscle is great for running on 3rd & 2 but it doesn't help with your passing or mechanics. He's reshaping his body to be a better player. Running, passing, everything.

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Bingo. Being a more flexible athlete (I called it "fluid") leads to more precise footwork which is of extreme importance for accuracy which is the #1 thing Dak has to work on. Not to mention how he can become a better one field runner which I noted.

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Originally Posted by Westdawg

have any of you given thought to the idea that maybe, just maybe, our younger QBs (Fitz and Staley) will get some opportunities to come in on those short yardage situations in order to get the 1st down with a QB run? Mullen has used the bigger, younger QBs in that fashion everywhere he has been - Utah, Bowling Green, Florida, Miss State. I would think that some of the heavy hitting will fall on their shoulders at times this season in order to take some load off of Dak's back....pun intended.

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Great point. Especially considering that's how Dak was brought around his rFr year

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Originally Posted by mic

He is getting NFL ready.. Which means better Dak and better Dak for MSU this year...

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Winner winner

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Originally Posted by MSUDawg4Life

You just quoted and contradicted yourself at the same time.

Calm down, dude. We may just be looking at things from the opposite side of the street. Like how people tend to describe the same accident differently. Y'all see changed his physique "considerably". I see a logical progression of his workouts. It was the next step and no big deal to me. It doesn't mean his body is that much different from last year or that our offense will change its focus.

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I believe when he says "more pass-centric" he means we will focus on passing more than we have in the past. That just means passing more than previous years, not being a pass first team. That's the way it read to me anyway

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Originally Posted by BeastMan

This is what it boils down to in its simplest form without splitting hairs: I think Dak changed his body. I think we throw more. You disagree with both points.

You have to understand what you're arguing and the likelihood of it being a good argument, particularly Dak's workouts just taking a natural next progression. This is the deal. Dak has been on campus for over 4 years. His body has been composed 1 way for 3.5 years (muscular, bulky, thick). So you mean to tell me that he got a draft grade with feedback in December and then in 6 months his body looks different than it has for the previous 3.5 b/c of a natural progression? Come on man.

I've been lifting weights for 15 years. You have to understand that Dak is in the top 1% in genetic makeup for build and athleticism. You're body just doesn't change like that in 6 months unless he made a big change in how he wanted it to be. Now it boils down to why and what is his motivation? I think Dak's biggest motivation is the NFL. He identified a plan of attack to prepare himself to improve on what the scouts told him. Dak's change isn't some chance deal b/c he's a workout warrior. Dak and the MSU know exactly what they are doing and are dialing in exactly where they want to dial in.

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Uh ... that's actually what I'm saying.

Where we disagree is you thinking Dak's body has been the same for 3.5 years and then he made this dramatic change in six months. I think Dak would tell you that he had specific goals each year and strove to improve physically each year. I think this "considerable" change you all are seeing this year is simply "Dak and MSU knowing what they are doing and are dialing in exactly where they want to dial in". Just like they do with every athlete. Every year.

It was the next step in his development, man.

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Originally Posted by MSUDawg4Life

Uh ... that's actually what I'm saying.

Where we disagree is you thinking Dak's body has been the same for 3.5 years and then he made this dramatic change in six months. I think Dak would tell you that he had specific goals each year and strove to improve physically each year. I think this "considerable" change you all are seeing this year is simply "Dak and MSU knowing what they are doing and are dialing in exactly where they want to dial in". Just like they do with every athlete. Every year.

I was the next step in his development, man.

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You're still not reading what I said. I didn't say "his body has been the same for 3.5 year". I said his body was composed the same as in how he's genetically pre disposed to build and hold muscle.

So what are we getting at? What's the next step in his progression? On the field of course? It isn't being a better, more accurate passer is it?

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Originally Posted by BeastMan

You're still not reading what I said. I didn't say "his body has been the same for 3.5 year". I said his body was composed the same as in how he's genetically pre disposed to build and hold muscle.

So what are we getting at? What's the next step in his progression? On the field of course? It isn't being a better, more accurate passer is it?

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Definitely. That's part of it. He's obviously been working hard on his passing and decision making. It doesn't mean we're going to be a pass-centric offense though.

I think the guy is just trying to be a better player overall. Physically, mentally and anything else he can do to be a better player. That's why we love him.

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Originally Posted by MSUDawg4Life

I'm not buying it either. I don't believe Detillier can look at Dak in a suit and tell he's slimmer than last year. Those three games we were more pass-centric in at the end of last year? We lost those games.

You've got to run the ball well to win in this conference. For us, that starts with Dak.

I understand Dak's passing will need to improve for the NFL, but Dak has been working on improving that anyway. He stills understands what makes our offense work and that's running the ball.

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I think you are correct. If Dak doesn't run the ball, I don't think we're going to win very many. I know he wants to concentrate on his passing skills for NFL purposes, but our team needs him to run the ball to be successful.

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