I hope you're kiddingQuote:
Originally Posted by I seen it dawg
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I hope you're kiddingQuote:
Originally Posted by I seen it dawg
I can assure you he's notQuote:
Originally Posted by Raytoraid83
And on some things- Ray has already proven to be better than Stands- discipline and weight training being 2 of them
eta- make that 3- I'll add installing a work ethic also
I know I am new to this, but you are kidding.....arent you?Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
Why would he be kidding?
Did you follow our basketball program at all the past 5+ years?
Yes I did... as well as last year. I kind of feel like this is all a big prank yall play on the new guys.Quote:
Originally Posted by engie
Anybody that followed our basketball team the last 5 years of the Stands tenure knows I'm not kidding...the discipline, work ethic, and weight training they have now far surpasses anything under StandsQuote:
Originally Posted by Demdawgs
I agree with that 100%. But to say Ray overall is better than Stansbury is just a tad bit premature.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
A) Its hard to have discipline issues when he booted half the teamQuote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
B) Playing hard, sloppy basketball is still bad basketball.
C) I forgot a good weight program translates into a great coach. Lets disqualify Stans wins from 2006-2010 because Jarvis Varnado did not weigh enough.
Yes I did, very closely. Did you? things I noticed: 293 wins, an outright SEC championship, 6 NCAA tournaments (4 straight) and only missing the postseason 3 times, 21-8 record against ole miss, pretty much taking whoever he wanted in recruiting out of Mississippi and walking into Alabama and grabbing one of there top recruits in years (Mario Austin), oh and for those saying he was just a recruiter and the players made him he did all of this with ONE FIRST ROUNDER. Did he lose control at the end? Yes. Is he totally to blame? No. Was it time for him to step down? Probably. He took a risk on Sidney who he was told by other coaches it would cost him his job. He thought he had dealt with enough personalities he could handle one more. In the end, it did. But to say that Rick Ray, a man that won 10 GAMES last year, is already a better coach is laughable and unthinkable.Quote:
Originally Posted by engie
But what if Rick Ray's team has a higher average bench press and a faster team .40? Doesnt that make him a better coach?Quote:
Originally Posted by Raytoraid83
Is Wayne Brady gonna have to choke a bitch?!Quote:
Originally Posted by FreeBoosie
#elitedawgslogicQuote:
Originally Posted by Demdawgs
A) he only booted 2 players- because they couldnt stop smoking dope. And both were Stands playersQuote:
Originally Posted by Demdawgs
B) It was sloppy because they played with a 3rd string PG and bunch of walk-ons
C) No, but a good weight program makes your athletes better- and it also teaches them how hard they can work. It's tougher to quit in games when you have worked extremely hard and paid the price. It gives teams one thing that Stands teams didnt have very often after 2005- heart
I am glad somebody finally had the wherewithal to ask that question. Let me begin.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hump4Hoops
Let me go ahead and clear something up. I'm sure a lot of you think I hate Rick Ray because he didnt go 38-0 in his first season as head coach. Not true. The reasons I dislike Rick Ray start far before he even stepped on campus, because I believe he should have never stepped on campus. He did not and does not deserve to be a coach in the SEC. He was a relative unknown coming into a program with a decent bit of prestige within the college hoops rank. I understand the philosophy of Stricklin. "Lets hire an up and coming assistant who will bring a spark to the program." While that was a good thought, Rick Ray was not at all the person for that job. I feel like Scott Stricklin just posted an ad on Craigslist for a new coach and Rick Ray answered it in between screenings of Star Wars and Glory road. There were plenty of better options who were more than interested in the job (Kenny Payne, PHIL CUNNINGHAM, Wayne Brent, Joe Dooley) but no, Scott Stricklin chose the quirky guy who wears three piece polyester suits. He should never have been given a chance, but he was, which leads us to where we are today.
Next, lets look at some gems of wisdom Rick Ray has given us.
"Colin Borchert reminds me of a Robby Hummel type player"- Not even worth going off on.
"Rodney, I want you to be the kind of guy who demands double teams"- He told the player that could have been the best player in MSU history he didnt want him to score.
"This team will win with hustle" Well the 23 other teams won with points.
"There are no 50/50 balls, only 100/0 balls in my program"
Rick Ray did not contact Josh Gray once to keep him. So instead we have Trivante "drive to the right" Bloodman and IJ "The Future" Ready at point guard.
Now lets talk about his presence off the court. The season poster looked great last year with him wearing pre game warm ups, but I'm sure the glare off of his lilac zoot suit would have not showed up in photos. He is a joke on social media. I disagree completely with the statement "I like that he's one of us". I hold him to a higher standard, I dont want to know how Deacon felt about Monsters U or Despicable Me 2.
Now last year. I do understand he went through some of the biggest adversity any coach has ever seen. Losing two freshman before the season and your starting 4 8 games in is tough. He kept fighting and scrounged out 10 games. Good for him. But, we could have avoided the most embarrassing season in MSU history by not hiring Rick Ray. I do believe that a 17-18 win season is possible if 1.) We establish a point guard. 2.) Chicken Sword averages 15-20 points a game. 3.) Fred Thomas becomes a legit finisher at the rim. 4.) Our deep front court can body up against the bigs of the SEC. Right now, I look at us as the deepest team of mediocre talent I have ever seen. If he leads us to the promised land, more power to him. But until then, I will continue to judge his every move. Call me a hater, a troll, blind, naive, whatever you want. I cannot and will not support Rick Ray. I'd much rather support soothsayer, because in two years when Rick Standsbury is coaching Auburn and shames Rick Ray, you all will be posting the same thing.
Long Live Rick 1 (1998-2012)
Let me get this straight, 1 losing with bad players makes you better than the coach with the 293 career wins. Man, i'm in the wrong major.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
Where in the post you quoted did Coach say that "Rick Ray is better than Rick Stansbury"? Where did he say it period? NICE straw man argument.Quote:
Originally Posted by Demdawgs
He pointed to 3 distinct ways in which we do, in fact, already know that Ray is BETTER than Stansbury. The rest of the stuff will be determined over time. But in all the 3 "first glance" aspects coach listed, he is undeniably better.
Hilarious how everyone wants to compare Stans entire career to what Ray inherited last year anyway. Where was all that talent when Stans took over and was down for 3 years? After all -- he'd been building HIS roster for NINE years at the point he took over as head coach. Today's MSU fans would have wanted him fired after those 3 years...
Apples to apples comparisons are really difficult for people with an agenda though...
Dem and Free brought SPS here for a change, Omaha is somewhere around too. Now I'm feeling right at home.
Nobody is saying Ray has had a better career- Stands put up some numbers over the years.Quote:
Originally Posted by Demdawgs
But you can watch and see things a coach is doing and tell who the better coach is
I didnt need John Cohen to coach 5 years at State before I knew he was a better coach than Ron Polk. You could see the things he was doing and the ways they were being done. But Cohen is clearly a better baseball coach and will continue to prove it over the next few years.
Ray will do a good job and the program will get better and better. You guys will see that it's not real hard to be a perenniel bubble team
Did you even read the thread?
What do you mean where did I find it? I found it on the last page, thats where I found it.Quote:
Originally Posted by engie