ED's poll on what to do with Cohen

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05-18-2015, 01:45 PM
sandwolf

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Originally Posted by msstate7

For the guys that wouldn't require staff changes... Would you require a bat change? Do you look at that as same as staff requirements?

The only thing that I would require is results. The way I see it, if it gets to the point that the AD feels the need to tell the head coach what changes that he needs to make in order to be successful, then it is time to move on. In other words, the head coach should know far more than the AD.....if he doesn't, then he should be fired.
05-18-2015, 01:55 PM
shoeless joe

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Originally Posted by msstate7

So if we get 12th place in sec and miss a regional again, you wouldn't fire Cohen? I think you're being WAY too lenient

I said I don't think he will be fired. Not that I wouldn't support his firing.
In my mind there's not a certain level of success that he would have to attain next year to stay. If things improve then we continue to move forward.

Again, this is what I think WOULD happen. Not what I would do I I was AD.
05-18-2015, 02:05 PM
msstate7

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Originally Posted by shoeless joe

I said I don't think he will be fired. Not that I wouldn't support his firing.
In my mind there's not a certain level of success that he would have to attain next year to stay. If things improve then we continue to move forward.

Again, this is what I think WOULD happen. Not what I would do I I was AD.

Gotcha
05-18-2015, 03:27 PM
AROB44

I went with 1. If you have to require a coach to make changes, you might as well fire him. Never will work otherwise.
05-18-2015, 04:14 PM
Coach34

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Originally Posted by msstate7

For the guys that wouldn't require staff changes... Would you require a bat change? Do you look at that as same as staff requirements?

Hell no- you hire a coach to do the job and lead your program. Scott Stricklin doesnt know shit about running a baseball program. Neither does Keenum. If you dont trust your coach to be competent enough to make those hires- you need a new coach
05-18-2015, 04:14 PM
ScrotieMcBoogerBalls

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Originally Posted by sandwolf

I went with #1, strictly because I don't believe in requiring a head coach to make staff changes.....I think that if you have to do that, then you have the wrong guy as head coach.

That's a valid point. I didn't think about it like that. Didn't we try to do this with Croom?
05-18-2015, 04:41 PM
sandwolf

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Originally Posted by ScrotieMcBoogerBalls

That's a valid point. I didn't think about it like that. Didn't we try to do this with Croom?

Yea, it seems like I remember the rumor being that Byrne told Croom that he would have to replace McCorvey with a competent OC if he wanted to keep his job and Croom refused to do that. That could be completely wrong, but I do remember that rumor making the rounds.
05-18-2015, 04:43 PM
sandwolf

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Originally Posted by Coach34

Hell no- you hire a coach to do the job and lead your program. Scott Stricklin doesnt know shit about running a baseball program. Neither does Keenum. If you dont trust your coach to be competent enough to make those hires- you need a new coach

This is pretty much exactly how I see it.
05-18-2015, 04:50 PM
LC Dawg

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Originally Posted by msstate7

For the guys that wouldn't require staff changes... Would you require a bat change? Do you look at that as same as staff requirements?

If an AD starts requiring equipment changes I think that AD will have a hard time finding coaches in the future.
Again, if you don't think the coach is doing a good job fire him.
A salesman knows if he isn't making sales he will get fired and a coach knows if he isn't winning games he is getting fired. I don't think making ultimatums or requirements helps the situation. When the losing gets to a point that is not acceptable fire the coach and hire a new coach.
05-18-2015, 05:03 PM
shannondawg

[QUOTE=Coach34;371608]Hell no

I agree with this 100%. If the coach himself can't see what needs to be done after a year like we had, don't need him.
05-18-2015, 05:15 PM
msstate7

[QUOTE=shannondawg;371628]

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Originally Posted by Coach34

Hell no

I agree with this 100%. If the coach himself can't see what needs to be done after a year like we had, don't need him.

I think Cohen should've seen the offense needs fixing way before this year. The offense has been very weak for 3 of the last 4 years. We collapsed this year bc our pitching couldn't hold teams to 2 or less. I really think Cohen is thinking that we just need to solidify the pitching and keep playing small ball.
05-18-2015, 05:19 PM
Smitty

Looks like a vast minority have confidence in Cohen by himself. And the other poll is showing that if these demands aren't met that most folks would want him gone too.

60-40 against him if changes aren't made not exactly a vote of confidence from the fan base
05-18-2015, 05:34 PM
fader2103

I'm leaning towards 2 but I won't be heartbroken if 3 happens. I just think Cohen has allowed to much to go on in the program that he has lost the respect of his players who are now running the asylum
05-18-2015, 05:58 PM
FlabLoser

Anybody saying keep Cohen but change some staff is assuming they know what the problems were. That's awfully presumptive.

Either he is an empowered coach or he's unemployed. Let the man do his job or get rid of him.

I think he's earned one more year to fix this.
05-18-2015, 08:07 PM
Coach34

[QUOTE=msstate7;371635]

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Originally Posted by shannondawg

I think Cohen should've seen the offense needs fixing way before this year. The offense has been very weak for 3 of the last 4 years. We collapsed this year bc our pitching couldn't hold teams to 2 or less. I really think Cohen is thinking that we just need to solidify the pitching and keep playing small ball.

not really.

We were basically middle of the pack SEC on offense in 2014- http://assets.espn.go.com/SEC/media/...EC%20Stats.pdf

2013- we were in the top half offensively

please show me where we have been so shitty on offense?
05-18-2015, 08:09 PM
Smitty

This year and 2012 stand out in the offensive ineptitude. Just woefully miserable those years.
05-18-2015, 08:15 PM
I seen it dawg

This is dumb
05-18-2015, 08:53 PM
Coach34

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Originally Posted by Smitty

This year and 2012 stand out in the offensive ineptitude. Just woefully miserable those years.

This year hasnt been that bad offensively- Pitching has been our downfall this year. You must have forgotten all the 8th inning meltdowns

http://assets.espn.go.com/sec/baseball/2015/lgconf.htm
05-18-2015, 09:06 PM
msstate7

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Originally Posted by Coach34

This year hasnt been that bad offensively- Pitching has been our downfall this year. You must have forgotten all the 8th inning meltdowns

http://assets.espn.go.com/sec/baseball/2015/lgconf.htm

So we were 10th in the sec in scoring runs. I didn't realize we were that good*
05-18-2015, 09:54 PM
Coach34

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Originally Posted by msstate7

So we were 10th in the sec in scoring runs. I didn't realize we were that good*

We're 2 runs from being 8th

7th in batting average

13th in ERA is the killa
13th in opponents BA is the killa
Tied for the 11th in batters struck out is a killa
13th in hits allowed in the killa

I think you get it now

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