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You only wish this was the case, 13. In your world, Christians are the minority in America, despite being an overwhelming portion of the population. Keep up the struggle, bud.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bully13
That being said, I'm happy for Tebow as a person; I'll miss him on the SECN. It will be interesting to see if he can win the 2nd or 3rd string QB spot on their roster.
This has absolutely nothing to do with his ability to throw a football, and is precisely why people don't buy into the Tebow-Train, as your post is literally a classic example of Tebow-Virgin-Worship.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawg61
Is he a virgin? He claims to be. But is he really? Does it have anything to do with footyball? Nope, and I doubt its validity, nonetheless. If he is...well, let me say I'd bet it has less to do with his morals, and more to do with his awkwardness and the crowd he troops with. Call me an asshole, but I find nothing wrong with someone not being a virgin who isn't married, and I'm certainly not inclined to put someone on a pedestal just because someone in their 30's hasn't gotten laid yet. Hell, my GF and I have been living together for almost 10 years; does that make us heathens? If you say yes, then 17 you.
I love Tebow the college player. I enjoyed watching Tebow the NFL player. But the widespread piety and overall martyrdom of perceived persecution that accompanies Tebow I do not love. Get your heads out your asses.
Heathen*Quote:
Originally Posted by BeardoMSU
Dude you went way out there with a simple comment. I couldn't give two shits if he's a virgin or not. You going full retard shows why I put it though. People are very passionate about this subject. It is another example of how he's polarizing. He brings out all these arguments amongst people without doing anything but being himself.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeardoMSU
I wasn't going full retard, I was just pointing out that none of this, absolutely none, has any influence on how well this cat plays the game of football. At the same time, these are ideals and standards that are seen and viewed as "wholesome" and "pure", despite the fact that these are cultural standards are mostly unattainable, and honestly, antiquated.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawg61
ETA: and again, people who critique Tebow, can't do it without people (not necessarily you, just in general) coming out of the woodwork chiming in how they only "hate" him because what he stands for. This is not a one way street.
Playoff games won since 2011:
Tebow-1
Bradford-0
Sanchez-0
Philadelphia Eagles-0
Geez, he's already under y'alls skin and it hasn't even been announced yet. While you're busy trying to trash him, he'll be praying for you. Think about that.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeardoMSU
Ok...thanks for the contribution to the convo, Scott.Quote:
Originally Posted by scottycameron
If you think I hate Tebow you couldn't be more wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeardoMSU
As was already demonstrated on this thread, actual polls have consistently shown that Tim Tebow has a very high net approval rating among Democrats/liberals. The idea that he does not is pure right-wing fantasy.Quote:
Originally Posted by scottycameron
I ♥ Tebow and so do most other liberals who know who he is.
I have nothing against Tebow but I think he's a below mediocre NFL QB. I guess I should fear for my soul.
My bad, 61. The "they" in the ETA is in reference to the people who critique Tebow. My pronoun usage should be more clear, lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawg61
I'm with you Dan.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew
And I'm an Episcopalian, just like you.....
I used to get pissed over the people that hate Tebow but now it's just sad to me. It reveals some real ugliness in some people.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeardoMSU
I think the issue is people can't seem to separate the 2. People who dislike Tebow & the people who think he's not a good NFL QB aren't 1 in the same. Just bc a person criticizes Tebow's play doesn't mean he hates Christ & wants to muzzle his lifestyle or message. It just may mean they think he sucks as a QB.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawg61
What's interesting though and gets greatly reduced in value from your crowd is the "it factor" present in Tebow. He motivates his team. He wins games. 8-5 with a playoff win for a rookie is impressive. So is leading the league in rushing and rushing tds from the QB position. So is taking a 1-4 team and leading them into the playoffs. Remember Tebow singlehandedly bringing them back to beat the Jets and then doing a ten minute interview on the NFL Network? I do and I remember Rex Ryan went and signed him just so he didn't have to face him the next year. Tebow is a winner. He will win again if a team buys into him completely.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew
He went 8-5 his 2nd year not his rookie year. The thing about Tebow is you're going to need a top 10 defense like Denver had that year to keep you in all those games while he's going 4-13 32yds until he has that magical 4th qtr drive. Tim is a great closer. He was like Mariano Rivera but his defense had to damn near pitch 7-8 shutout innings to all ow Tebow the opportunity to work his late game heroics. "My crowd" is just a crowd that believes my starting QB should complete more than 50% of his passes. I have no Ill feelings toward Tebow I just question & going by his #'s rightfully so if he can be a successful QB over a period of time.
Not saying you meant that for me, but just to be clear: I like Tebow. I think he's a good guy. I enjoy watching him play fooball, in college (especially) and the NFL. I just HATE the circus that accompanies the discussion of whether Tebow deserves to be on the same field as other NFL QB's that is oddly enough defined not by his skill as a NFL quarter back, but by all the other "social" reasons that are inevitably brought up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawg61
This is not a religious or cultural debate, but it always seems to revert to these topics. You should be able to point out the flaws in his game, and the flaws in the systems that promotes Tebow over other perennial back-up-QB's (cough, Skip Ballis, cough) who've received no where near the 'benefit of the doubt' as Mr. T has.
Point me where I'm wrong. I'll eagerly listen to any open-minded and honest points on the matter.
Thanks, Dan. You've put into words something that took me several more sentences. Bravo.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew
I don't think that he thinks that. I think he thinks that some folks that think that Tebow is great because of his religious beliefs think that those that think he doesn't measure up as an NFL quarterback think that because of their anti-religious leanings.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawg61