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03-31-2015, 01:03 PM
messageboardsuperhero

Given the circumstances of all our losing the last few years and Howland just getting here last week, we are in as good of a position as you could ask for, IMO. Like other have said, buckle down because it will be a while and nobody really knows what Newman is going to do.

Mayer has changed his prediction about seven times, so that means next to nothing to me.
03-31-2015, 01:20 PM
Harrydawg

No doubt it's us or LSU..Malik is not going far from
home. Horatio wants him close to he and mom.

We are in fine shape so far
03-31-2015, 01:30 PM
smootness

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Originally Posted by msstate7

I can't imagine why cal would want to get the Harrisons to leave. I realize the freshmen might be more talented, but it can't be enough to overcome the harrisons' experience.

Cal has openly told players that if they consider themselves 4-year guys, don't come to Kentucky. He has built that system around being able to go get any recruit he wants, and to do that, he has to promise them playing time and 'shine' and then continue to deliver.

Guys sticking around for 3-4 years hurts that system. He then has to either reduce minutes for guys as they get older, which hurts his ability to deliver on promises to them, or he has less ability to promise and then deliver on playing time for new recruits.

If both Harrison's stay, then he either has to start them or bench them. If he starts them, Isaiah Briscoe and Ulis/Booker don't get as much time, and they either stick around and make it harder to keep recruiting, or the next top guy sees that if he goes to UK, he may sit because they have elite talents ahead of them.

If he benches them, the next top guy sees that if he doesn't light the world on fire right away, he will eventually be thrown aside and passed over for the next big thing.

Calipari wants his guys to be one and done, or to stick around for 2 years at the most, especially the guys in the top 5-10. The occasional Cauley-Stein is ok, especially since he wasn't a top 10 or even top 20 guy.

He absolutely expected the Harrison's to be one-and-done. Sticking around for a second year was fine. Sticking around for 3 would start to really complicate things.
03-31-2015, 01:57 PM
msstate7

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Originally Posted by smootness

Cal has openly told players that if they consider themselves 4-year guys, don't come to Kentucky. He has built that system around being able to go get any recruit he wants, and to do that, he has to promise them playing time and 'shine' and then continue to deliver.

Guys sticking around for 3-4 years hurts that system. He then has to either reduce minutes for guys as they get older, which hurts his ability to deliver on promises to them, or he has less ability to promise and then deliver on playing time for new recruits.

If both Harrison's stay, then he either has to start them bench them. If he starts them, Isaiah Briscoe and Ulis/Booker don't get as much time, and they either stick around and make it harder to keep recruiting, or the next top guy sees that if he goes to UK, he may sit because they have elite talents ahead of them.

If he benches them, the next top guy sees that if he doesn't light the world on fire right away, he will eventually be thrown aside and passed over for the next big thing.

Calipari wants his guys to be one and done, or to stick around for 2 years at the most, especially the guys in the top 5-10. The occasional Cauley-Stein is ok, especially since he wasn't a top 10 or even top 20 guy.

He absolutely expected the Harrison's to be one-and-done. Sticking around for a second year was fine. Sticking around for 3 would start to really complicate things.

When does attrition start penalizing them? Don't you have to have a certain % graduate?
03-31-2015, 02:03 PM
smootness

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Originally Posted by msstate7

When does attrition start penalizing them? Don't you have to have a certain % graduate?

No. If a player leaves for the NBA Draft, he needs only to be in good academic standing at the time. So if that happens, you are not penalized.

The players do have to complete the spring semester, though. But UK's APR scores for basketball have been perfect or close to it for the most part.
03-31-2015, 02:09 PM
msstate7

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Originally Posted by smootness

The players do have to complete the spring semester, though. But UK's APR scores for basketball have been perfect or close to it for the most part.

Red flag imo. Players getting ready for draft knowing they aren't coming back aren't hitting the books
03-31-2015, 02:14 PM
Dawg61

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Originally Posted by smootness

Cal has openly told players that if they consider themselves 4-year guys, don't come to Kentucky. He has built that system around being able to go get any recruit he wants, and to do that, he has to promise them playing time and 'shine' and then continue to deliver.

Guys sticking around for 3-4 years hurts that system. He then has to either reduce minutes for guys as they get older, which hurts his ability to deliver on promises to them, or he has less ability to promise and then deliver on playing time for new recruits.

If both Harrison's stay, then he either has to start them bench them. If he starts them, Isaiah Briscoe and Ulis/Booker don't get as much time, and they either stick around and make it harder to keep recruiting, or the next top guy sees that if he goes to UK, he may sit because they have elite talents ahead of them.

If he benches them, the next top guy sees that if he doesn't light the world on fire right away, he will eventually be thrown aside and passed over for the next big thing.

Calipari wants his guys to be one and done, or to stick around for 2 years at the most, especially the guys in the top 5-10. The occasional Cauley-Stein is ok, especially since he wasn't a top 10 or even top 20 guy.

He absolutely expected the Harrison's to be one-and-done. Sticking around for a second year was fine. Sticking around for 3 would start to really complicate things.

Cal can't want them to leave too badly considering this is the best team EVER. I get what you're saying and agree with most of it but the Harrison twins are different. They aren't guaranteed lottery picks and Kentucky has never been better than right now so I'm guessing the twins will be the exception to the rule and will be welcomed to stay as long as they want.
03-31-2015, 02:16 PM
Dawg61

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Originally Posted by msstate7

Red flag imo. Players getting ready for draft knowing they aren't coming back aren't hitting the books

Kentucky has this shit down to a science. Players expected to leave early are probably taking the easiest online classes offered at UK.
03-31-2015, 02:21 PM
msstate7

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Originally Posted by Dawg61

Cal can't want them to leave too badly considering this is the best team EVER. I get what you're saying and agree with most of it but the Harrison twins are different. They aren't guaranteed lottery picks and Kentucky has never been better than right now so I'm guessing the twins will be the exception to the rule and will be welcomed to stay as long as they want.

If the point is to be great every year, it makes no sense to run them off imo.
03-31-2015, 02:23 PM
thf24

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Originally Posted by Dawg61

Kentucky has this shit down to a science. Players expected to leave early are probably taking the easiest online classes offered at UK.

I wonder what incentives they provide for the players to complete the semester though. I don't see what's stopping them from just packing up the day they get back to campus from their last tournament game and doing whatever they please until the draft. Unless they just really love UK that much, but that can't be the case for at least some, if not most.
03-31-2015, 02:29 PM
msstate7

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Originally Posted by thf24

I wonder what incentives they provide for the players to complete the semester though. I don't see what's stopping them from just packing up the day they get back to campus from their last tournament game and doing whatever they please until the draft. Unless they just really love UK that much, but that can't be the case for at least some, if not most.

They aren't finishing the spring semesters. Why would they? I wouldn't.
03-31-2015, 02:36 PM
smootness

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Originally Posted by msstate7

They aren't finishing the spring semesters. Why would they? I wouldn't.

Yes, they are.
03-31-2015, 02:38 PM
smootness

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Originally Posted by Dawg61

Cal can't want them to leave too badly considering this is the best team EVER. I get what you're saying and agree with most of it but the Harrison twins are different. They aren't guaranteed lottery picks and Kentucky has never been better than right now so I'm guessing the twins will be the exception to the rule and will be welcomed to stay as long as they want.

First, they are not the best team ever. Second, the Harrison's are not the reason they're as good as they are.

I'm telling you, the Harrison's continuing to come back hurts that system. It may make them better next year, but it makes it more difficult to continue with the system as it is, so it hurts UK's chances of continuing to get multiple top guys every year.

A logjam at any positions hurts what they're selling.
03-31-2015, 02:44 PM
thunderclap

Still working at the post office
03-31-2015, 02:46 PM
CadaverDawg

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Originally Posted by msstate7

They aren't finishing the spring semesters. Why would they? I wouldn't.

Whoever has their username and password is finishing their semester
03-31-2015, 02:48 PM
msstate7

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Originally Posted by smootness

Yes, they are.

Someone may be finishing their work for them, but you'll never convince me that all of them are hitting the books with the draft approaching
03-31-2015, 02:48 PM
msstate7

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Originally Posted by CadaverDawg

Whoever has their username and password is finishing their semester

Exactly
03-31-2015, 03:04 PM
Dawg61

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Originally Posted by smootness

First, they are not the best team ever. Second, the Harrison's are not the reason they're as good as they are.

I'm telling you, the Harrison's continuing to come back hurts that system. It may make them better next year, but it makes it more difficult to continue with the system as it is, so it hurts UK's chances of continuing to get multiple top guys every year.

A logjam at any positions hurts what they're selling.

Whose better? UNLV lost to Duke and that's the only team that rivals Kentucky imo. I'm assuming UK wins it all though. The twins are a bigger part to UK's success than you're giving them credit for.
03-31-2015, 03:10 PM
Ifyouonlyknew

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Originally Posted by Dawg61

Whose better? UNLV lost to Duke and that's the only team that rivals Kentucky imo. I'm assuming UK wins it all though. The twins are a bigger part to UK's success than you're giving them credit for.

They may go undefeated but I think there are quite a few teams that could beat them head to head.

2012 KY
2005 UNC
1996 KY
1992 DUKE
1991 UNLV
03-31-2015, 03:36 PM
Homedawg

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Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew

They may go undefeated but I think there are quite a few teams that could beat them head to head.

2012 KY
2005 UNC
1996 KY
1992 DUKE
1991 UNLV

I agree w all of these. This year uk team isn't even in their top 3 teams they've had. The fact they haven't lost doesn't make them the best. The comparison teams didn't play the same bad comp. uk is good. Greatest team ever, not close in my opinion.

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