Kelvin Sampson

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Originally Posted by Coach34

My thoughts are that an administration that interviewed some of our own former players about the recruiting practices of our former coach would not consider Sampson for 1 second

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What exactly are you saying? Or is this just par for the course?

And when will this post be deleted just as every single other post with any innuendo of recruiting violations? I'll wait.

Another check in the idiocy column. I'm keeping a spreadsheet and its going to be classic when it's done.

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Originally Posted by maroonmania

No, I don't like the lax way Stansbury ran the program and all of the drama and lack of discipline within his program but what was the issue with his "recruiting practices"? Whatever they were I wish we should bring them back. Stans was the best recruiting HC we've ever had bar none and never had an issue with the NCAA in his 14 years running the basketball program. Whatever he was doing was getting results and we weren't getting in trouble for it so what was the big deal? And for whatever we were doing on the side nobody can deny that Stans busted his ass in his recruiting efforts.

And to add, I'm not trying to start another thread getting veered off on Stans but it very much concerns me when I read this stuff where it sounds like maybe for all post-Stans HCs we have we are going to make them recruit with one hand tied behind their back.

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You weren't the one who veered this one off on Stansbury.

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Originally Posted by Maroonthirteen

I don't believe Stans was doing anything more than any other college program. The way we get called out if we so much as jaywalk in football.... I don't believe for a second that Stans was that rogue. Godfried and OM would have blown the whistle in a millisecond.

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Stansbury is just an easy target here. Way too difficult to make a valid argument when you can take shots.

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Originally Posted by TheDogFather

What exactly are you saying? Or is this just par for the course?

And when will this post be deleted just as every single other post with any innuendo of recruiting violations? I'll wait.

Another check in the idiocy column. I'm keeping a spreadsheet and its going to be classic when it's done.

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I think my statement was pretty clear. Former players were interviewed about Stands recruiting practices. This is a fact

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Originally Posted by Maroonthirteen

I don't believe Stans was doing anything more than any other college program. The way we get called out if we so much as jaywalk in football.... I don't believe for a second that Stans was that rogue. Godfried and OM would have blown the whistle in a millisecond.

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They would have had to go thru Mike Slive first- and we all know that wasn't happening

When SS hired Ray he had lunch with Richard Williams in Jackson and there was open discussion about whether you could run a successful basketball program with out cheating. Williams said no but SS did not seem to care. Everyone is cheating end of story. Things changed when Ray joined. People wonder why Hood left, he left because the terms of his "scholarship" changed greatly when we switched coaches.

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Originally Posted by Rayburn8

When SS hired Ray he had lunch with Richard Williams in Jackson and there was open discussion about whether you could run a successful basketball program with out cheating. Williams said no but SS did not seem to care. Everyone is cheating end of story. Things changed when Ray joined. People wonder why Hood left, he left because the terms of his "scholarship" changed greatly when we switched coaches.

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this guy knows what he is talking about. College basketball is the dirtiest out there. And our #Network is on vacation

I'll never forget the Josh Gray interview after Ray was hired- in summary Gray said something to the effect "I'm just wondering who is going to show me love now"....about the most blatant "I wonder where the money is going to come from now" quote I have ever seen

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Originally Posted by Coach34

I think my statement was pretty clear. Former players were interviewed about Stands recruiting practices. This is a fact

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What about the second question?

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Originally Posted by Rayburn8

When SS hired Ray he had lunch with Richard Williams in Jackson and there was open discussion about whether you could run a successful basketball program with out cheating. Williams said no but SS did not seem to care. Everyone is cheating end of story. Things changed when Ray joined. People wonder why Hood left, he left because the terms of his "scholarship" changed greatly when we switched coaches.

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Another post which due to insinuating content would normally be deleted here. But this thread continues because it disparages our former coach. Definitely going on the spreadsheet.

No on Sampson. No no no no no no. No.

Sampson got fired and given a suspension because he talked on the phone like a junior high girl with recruits. Hugh Freeze is much worse with the phone than Sampson. I'd be fine with Sampson getting the job. 12 NCAA's in 12 years is damn impressive!

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Originally Posted by Dawg61

Sampson got fired and given a suspension because he talked on the phone like a junior high girl with recruits. Hugh Freeze is much worse with the phone than Sampson. I'd be fine with Sampson getting the job. 12 NCAA's in 12 years is damn impressive!

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No he got fired for not complying to sanctions he was already under for his violations at Oklahoma. Among other things, the NCAA said Sampson did not comply restrictions imposed for the violations at Oklahoma, that he lied to the NCAA, and that he failed to promote an atmosphere of rules compliance within the IU basketball program. Two schools and he wouldn't stop something that was easy to control. Not to mention the various off campus recruiting violations. And even with all that it's like anything else, it was the lies and cover ups that got him fired. 5 year show cause is because of MAJOR violations. Don't fall for it was just some extra calls. And to top it off he headed a committee overseeing these type of coaching violations. No to Sampson.

Cal leaves every place he has been on probation.

Would you turn him down, too?

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Originally Posted by THE Bruce Dickinson

Cal leaves every place he has been on probation.

Would you turn him down, too?

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Does he technically have any violations to his name? No Is there a tremendous amount of smoke to his career? Yes and he is a slime ball and we all know he is dirty. They all are but Sampson thumbed his nose at the NCAA, the conference, and two schools, lied about it and had the audacity to lead a committee that had to censure and suspend him because of what he was doing and wouldn't correct his behavior. Flagrant and in your face about it. Cal at least had enough sense to keep some stuff from being tied to him and leaving before hand. Would I hire Cal? Yes but you are also not comparing like coaches either. Much greater track record of success with Cal but you better do it understanding that everywhere he has left he has left it in shambles and you had better be prepared for a downturn after a championship.

ETA. If you reread my first post about this I also said Sampson has not had enough time to prove himself. Big difference between hiring him now and in 2 years if he has cleaned up his act. And by that it's not just the violations at all. He was rouge and you can't have that at the school. If it wasn't phone calls it would have been something else. He had a show cause because you had to treat him almost like an addict. He wasn't going to stop or he would have shifted to something else. The NCAA will allow things to go on a certain degree just because basketball recruiting is so dirty. Don't think they don't know what's going on. As long as the bulk of it appears like its on an even play field they will stay out of it.

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Originally Posted by smootness

No on Sampson. No no no no no no. No.

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and NO!