Johnny Jones is the worst coach in the SEC

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03-20-2015, 09:07 AM
RossDawg82

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Originally Posted by Coach34

He did that day against LSU- how can you say he didn't? Sword is the only player we had on the floor that belonged with that LSU group and we won.

So Hugh Freeze is a better coach than Nick Saban??? This kind of logic cant be used to describe what is going on with our team. You cant justify that we have a good coach by one game. We lost so many games we should have won this year, we lost several games by 20 or 30 points, and only out up 40 or 50 points in a majority of our games. Both coaches are horrible and have proved this. Saying one is better than the other is a fruitless waste of breath.
03-20-2015, 09:11 AM
MadDawg

So, using 34's logic, Rick Ray > Kevin Stallings. That's good to know. ***
03-20-2015, 09:12 AM
BeardoMSU

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Originally Posted by Coach34

I mean damn- look at our roster. Look at our bench- and you tell me where we should have finished this season

Well, we finished near the bottom and got embarrassed by SC and Aub to finish out the season so yeah, about where I figured. The thing is, no we didn't finish dead last (17 yeah!), but those two teams are definitely trending up, while we're treading water with our shit coaching staff.
03-20-2015, 09:14 AM
mic

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Originally Posted by I seen it dawg

2 touches for Martin their best player after being up by 15. That's Stains level right there.

Best player... Dude is a lottery pick..
03-20-2015, 09:16 AM
mic

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Originally Posted by msstate7

If they keep Mickey and Martin, they'll be outstanding. If they keep 1, they'll be pretty good. If they lose both, who knows

Martin is gone. Lottery pick.
Mickey is probably gone
They may even lose Quarderman. I think he is a pro.. Probably 2 round..
03-20-2015, 09:17 AM
Coach34

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Originally Posted by RossDawg82

So Hugh Freeze is a better coach than Nick Saban??? This kind of logic cant be used to describe what is going on with our team. You cant justify that we have a good coach by one game. We lost so many games we should have won this year, we lost several games by 20 or 30 points, and only out up 40 or 50 points in a majority of our games. Both coaches are horrible and have proved this. Saying one is better than the other is a fruitless waste of breath.

stop going to extremes

A) Hugh Freeze had an extreme home advantage with a packed stadium- Gameday there. It was an insane day for them. Ray played LSU with a 1/4 full Hump

B) What games did we lose that we should have won? Take the name off the jersey and compare the players. What team should we have beaten with an injured Ready and Sword? Or the one where we played without Ware? You really can't be serious?
03-20-2015, 09:19 AM
Coach34

Bottom line- if they had equal talent on a neutral court- anybody picking Jones over Ray is an idiot. If you wanted to get into a recruiting contest? That's a different story
03-20-2015, 09:28 AM
mic

Lsu also lost to auburn twice .. And I think mizzu..

It wasn't just this game it was all year.. That LSU team underachieved big time .. It had everything a great team needs except lack of depth..
Point guard . Yes ( and he could play the 2 and 3 )
Shooting guard . Yes
And 2 studs inside.. Hell yes

When it come to JJ and RR ... If u give RR that LSU team they are still playing today.. And for that matter wouldn't have been a 9 seed...

And yes I am all for replacing RR here..
03-20-2015, 09:46 AM
THE Bruce Dickinson

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Originally Posted by Coach34

Jones can't hold Rick Ray's jock as a floor coach. Rick Ray can't hold Johnny Jones' jock as a recruiter.

The he only idiot here would be you if you can't see the talent discrepancy Jones has had vs Ray. Not to mention Ray beat Jones this year head to head with Bloodman and Endo playing during the game. That tells anyone with an intelligence level past jello who the better coach is

Part of being a good coach in college IS recruiting.

You act like it's a completely different function all together. Nick Saban is the best coach in the country because he has excellent gameplans AND he is an incredible recruiter. The 2 are not mutually exclusive like you always make them out to be. So here we are...

Ray. Terrible Recruiter + Good Floor Coach (Says You) = Sitting at Bufallo Wild Wings in March

Jones. Great recruiter + Terrible Floor Coach (Says You) = NCAA Tournament Bid

You tell me which is more important
03-20-2015, 09:46 AM
RossDawg82

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Originally Posted by Coach34

Bottom line- if they had equal talent on a neutral court- anybody picking Jones over Ray is an idiot. If you wanted to get into a recruiting contest? That's a different story

Bottom Line is that we do not have the talent. There is so much more that goes into coaching at the collegiate level than Wins and Losses. We are a horrible basketball team, and only the ignorant would say we have shown improvement. The only aspect we have improved since RR has gotten to Starkville is community service. We have no talent, we have no offense, and worst of all we have no support. We used to have to get to a game hours in advance for tickets, now you get a free pizza if you show up. Its sad and pathetic, but most of all this product on the court is insulting to the people who played,coached, and supported MSU basketball in the past. You can justify all you want that RR is not as bad as XYZ, but the BOTTOM LINE is we are one of the worst teams in the conference and there is no hope of improvement.
03-20-2015, 09:54 AM
BeardoMSU

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Originally Posted by Coach34

Bottom line- if they had equal talent on a neutral court-

Good thing we know that will never happen***
03-20-2015, 09:58 AM
HancockCountyDog

Hell, I bet Bobby Knight would be most coaches in the country with equal talent. Unfortunately recruiting is more than 50% of the job when it comes to basketball.

You could give UK's roster to anyone that has coached YMCA 6 year old basketball and go against Ray in the hump, and the YMCA guy wins 10 times out of 10.

Just edit your post to say Jones is the worst floor coach in the SEC. Probably right there. Worst coach - no way. The worst coach in the SEC isn't in the NCAA tourney and doesn't have a top 5 recruiting class in the country coming to their campus.
03-20-2015, 10:04 AM
MadDawg

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Good thing we know that will never happen***

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03-20-2015, 10:05 AM
BeardoMSU

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Originally Posted by HancockCountyDog

The worst coach in the SEC isn't in the NCAA tourney and doesn't have a top 5 recruiting class in the country coming to their campus.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zq1wzW3zhT0

ETA: excluding Bruce Pearl. I don't know what his current recruiting looks like, but I'm confident it's much better than what Auburn is normally used to.
03-20-2015, 10:14 AM
dawgs

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Originally Posted by Coach34

Righttttttt

Jones played Ray this year with wayyyy more talent
A better bench
in front of 2500 people- so there really wasn't a significant home court advantage

and lost

Even a blind squirrel finds a nut...
03-20-2015, 10:16 AM
dawgs

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Originally Posted by Coach34

I mean damn- look at our roster. Look at our bench- and you tell me where we should have finished this season?

Look at Jones roster and his future draft picks- how did they finish? And they lost to us

Yet if they continue to win 20ish games and contend for tourney spots, then he's not the worst. Not when we have a coach with a sub-.400 winning % overall, not conference, but overall.
03-20-2015, 10:19 AM
dawgs

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Originally Posted by Coach34

Bottom line- if they had equal talent on a neutral court- anybody picking Jones over Ray is an idiot. If you wanted to get into a recruiting contest? That's a different story

Too bad coaching college basketball includes recruiting. If you can't recruit, then you aren't a good coach.
03-20-2015, 10:21 AM
Coach34

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Originally Posted by THE Bruce Dickinson

Part of being a good coach in college IS recruiting.

You act like it's a completely different function all together. Nick Saban is the best coach in the country because he has excellent gameplans AND he is an incredible recruiter. The 2 are not mutually exclusive like you always make them out to be. So here we are...

Ray. Terrible Recruiter + Good Floor Coach (Says You) = Sitting at Bufallo Wild Wings in March

Jones. Great recruiter + Terrible Floor Coach (Says You) = NCAA Tournament Bid

You tell me which is more important

nobody is saying recruiting isn't important- no doubt it is. Very important
nobody is saying Ray is John Wooden. Nobody is saying Ray should keep his job another day. This thread wasn't even about Ray.

im simply saying Ray is better at the coaching aspect than Jones is. Will Ray be as successful as Jones? Highly unlikely. He will never recruit like Jones. But Jones is an awful floor coach- that can't even be disputed
03-20-2015, 10:22 AM
dawgs

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Originally Posted by BeardoMSU

ETA: excluding Bruce Pearl. I don't know what his current recruiting looks like, but I'm confident it's much better than what Auburn is normally used to.

Auburn is bringing in a borderline top 10 class this year, so they're about to leave us in the dust too.

Meanwhile, half of ED thinks our borderline top 50 class will lead us back to the promise land and solve our talent problem.
03-20-2015, 10:23 AM
Coach34

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Originally Posted by dawgs

Too bad coaching college basketball includes recruiting. If you can't recruit, then you aren't a good coach.

Talking simply the coaching aspect- I'm sorry too many of you can't separate that part of it due to your hate for Ray

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