Ole Miss learned what we should have learned....the NCAA is dead.
Nothing will happen with this. The $ is too big. Nobody cares. Adapt.
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Ole Miss learned what we should have learned....the NCAA is dead.
Nothing will happen with this. The $ is too big. Nobody cares. Adapt.
Exactly..... except, I'm surprised Auburn gave the money to the kid. They should just be like Alabama and have a booster take the family out to a country club for lunch then hand them an envelope full of money.Quote:
Originally Posted by cheewgumm
Lemme get this straight. Paidwell gets to flash cash on social media, Auburn guy gets to flash cash on social media....no problem!
But if Doug20Buckles, a Bear player claims an MSU player bought him a pizza, the NCAA boom gets lowered on MSU.
Bracky is the equivalent of bringing a squirt gun to a automatic rifle fight.
You'd think Bracky would turn his head to some things. I mean hell, the guy got his undergrad and masters from State..... you'd think he'd show some compassion.Quote:
Originally Posted by M.Fillmore
Well no matter what we do, if we had a player tweet out cash, our bear friends would figure out a way to pin it on us.
If anybody does try and join the game from our school, they better be extremely careful and dot every I and cross every T.
I don't recommend that just anybody try and join the game. It takes a special network to go under the radar
We don't need any part of getting in the mud with auburn and Old Mrs. Did y'all not learn from dealing with Newton and Devinner?
Let me remind yall, Newton was bought by auburn and the public perception was that we tried to buy him.
Devinner placed numerous kids at OM. One I know received a nice dodge charger. We sign a Devinner player.... Msu and the player gets bent over by the NCAA.
Its obvious to me that we don't have the political clout, connections....whatever to play the game and get away with it. So no thanks. Stay out of it.
SMU got the death penalty. Didn't stop the free-spending then. I suggest there will always be cheating. All you are talking bout, IMO is moving the bar a little higher. There would be the "base pay" and still the "extra benefits" that the bigger cheaters use today. There has been the threat of the "big hammer" for a long time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Irondawg
We can debate whether stringent & consistent enforcement by ethical investigators would change things, but I don't see how guaranteeing a set pay, and threatening severe penalties would have any impact whatsoever on the amount of cheating.
I think the only way it possibly makes a difference is if a kid really wants to go to "school A", but is so destitute that he feels obligated to support his family immediately, but is also willing to walk away from more money while in that situation.
This. Until we rid our university of the spineless sackless individuals, we should not "Up our Game". Shot we got hammered for something that division 3 programs get away with. I have absolutely zero confidence that we could join the game, with Bracky anywhere near our program. And as long as Scott is around, we won't be joining the game either.Quote:
Originally Posted by Maroonthirteen
This may have been the case with Nutt and Orgeron, but it doesn't appear to be the case with Freeze. They won 9 games and played in one of the top 6 bowl games this year and they lose very few starters. And that is with just 2 full signing classes under Freeze (he only had 2 months to put together his first signing class). Based on what Freeze has done in his first three years in Oxford, it sure looks like he has the ability to turn talent into actual wins on the field.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheRef
Freeze has been able to keep control of the asylum so far. He has shown an ability to keep them together when things could have really gone south for them, so he gets credit for that.Quote:
Originally Posted by sandwolf
The NCAA of today is only a shell of what it was in the days of Doug Buckles.Quote:
Originally Posted by M.Fillmore
We bent ourselves over. Its obvious that the NCAA is pretty toothless unless YOU hand them the direct evidence to incriminate yourself and Bracky is very good at doing that for us. Bracky still operates like its 25 years ago. Answer me this, how many other schools besides us in the Big 5 do you see getting in any real trouble for actual recruiting violations? Lately, the only thing the NCAA has gotten after some folks for are extra benefits for current players but NCAA investigations for recruiting violations is pretty much a thing of the past.Quote:
Originally Posted by Maroonthirteen
These threads are ridiculous.
Yes, we need to overhaul compliance. I've beaten that drum as hard as anyone over the past couple of years. But it's hypocritical to sit back and talk about other schools buying players -- while we've got our best modern recruiting class and one that probably has as many power 5 offers as the last 5 Mullen classes combined, pretending that we're playing a different game than everyone else.
We're playing the same game -- we just aren't as good at it yet.
that's when the inmates begin to run the asylum. It's not worth the potential consequences.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
Recruiting is what it is, but big dollar contracts and pay outs can be incredibly counter productive if the goal is to build a winning program.
Who in this thread has said we aren't in the game? We seem to do minimally what we have to do in football to keep halfway competitive and we've pretty much killed our basketball program by trying to take "our game" down a notch or two. We play but we certainly are not "all in" like the OMs and Auburns are.Quote:
Originally Posted by engie
I just think its hilarious when thy talk about
Guys being a "great recruiter".... Come on.
Our basketball suckage has nothing to do with trying to recruit more honorablyQuote:
Originally Posted by maroonmania
If the recruiting suckage that Ray has done over his first couple of classes has nothing to do with trying to recruit more honorably then I'm more pissed than ever about our current basketball product. Pretty much ALL the players Ray has brought in himself that are currently playing could have been obtained through honorable means.Quote:
Originally Posted by DudyDawg
Sorry but he's partially correct. Hell 1/4th our damn roster is from the same high school.Quote:
Originally Posted by DudyDawg
I'm saying it is caused by the collapse of the program, not us trying to follow recruiting "rules". I'm all for renaming the Hump the Newman center tomorrow if it would get him. The problem isn't cheating on the recruiting trail. It was withinQuote:
Originally Posted by maroonmania