Agreed.Quote:
Originally Posted by mic
The only thing that gives me pause is that we're going to have to come up with a smooth $2-3mil extra in staff salaries to pull it all off. Hopefully, we make that happen...
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Agreed.Quote:
Originally Posted by mic
The only thing that gives me pause is that we're going to have to come up with a smooth $2-3mil extra in staff salaries to pull it all off. Hopefully, we make that happen...
Extra 2-3 million??? Or just 2-3 million total...? An extra 2-3 million would put us up in the top ranks of assistant payroll...Quote:
Originally Posted by engie
Not that much.. When you add Collins and possible Turners salaries together with what they would have made next year it would have been right at a million..Quote:
Originally Posted by engie
That should take care of what The Org wants.
Just have to pony up for the other hire... And give raises to everyone else..
What part? Do you mean the O hiring, Turner leaving or the whole situation?Quote:
Originally Posted by engie
I for one would be very pleased with O whether or not we have a second hire or not.
Here's my problem with Orgeron. Is he a recruiting upgrade? Absolutely. Is he a DL coach upgrade? Yes. But if we hire Orgeron to be the DC and keep Turner, that means someone has to coach LBs. Turner hasn't coached LBs in 15 years. Orgeron coached LBs 20 years ago at Nicholls State. Are we really going to sit here and say we would be ok hiring Orgeron for a recruiting bump while neglecting the LB situation?
I don't want to hear oh it will work itself out and oh it's no big deal anyone can step in to coach LBs or oh Turner can do it. I don't believe that we can continue to move forward as a program if we sacrifice a position group (which we would be if we don't bring in someone with some LB coaching experience in today's college football) just to get a little bump on the recruiting trail.
We want to bring in Coach O to be the DC I suppose I'm ok with that. But ONLY if Turner is going and we hire a position coach for the LBs. If Turner is staying on, I'm not in favor of letting Orgeron run the defense and control the LBs, or control the DL and move Turner to LBs. To me this is the kind of move that might help us on the recruiting trail but could potentially hurt us on the field. Recruiting isn't everything and I just wonder about how many are enamored with the idea of Orgeron because of what he's done in recruiting but forget he's never been a defensive coordinator in his life.
Is that really the route we want to go in replacing our DC off a 10 win season is with a guy who can coach DL but has never been a defensive coordinator but can recruit pretty good? Just my two cents. I think there are better options out there honestly. Bill Clark , Randy Shannon, and DJ Durkin I think are all three better choices right now for our DC.
I think a significant upgrade in recruiting is better than making an average hire or move to coach linebackers. These are college coaches and a lot of them have coached multiple positions and sometimes they help each other coaching positions. I am not worried about the future of the program if we make a marginal move at linebackers coach. I am more concerned about keeping good talent coming into the program and having coaches that can put the best ones into the best positions to succeed.
I'm including the extra $1-1.5mil Mullen is going to get. Also assuming a 25% raise for remaining assistants(to match the 25% OM just gave their guys, which we'll almost certainly try to do)...Quote:
Originally Posted by jimbo352
We're pushing way above $1mil and possibly close to $2mil extra money before you even consider the new hire(s)....
Um, no. Hire a dedicated LB coach. The most obvious way to get a ST Coach on staff is to move Sallach into an administrative role, which we tried to do 2 years ago. Seriously, does anyone know what he brings to the staff other than being Mullen's bff? There are tons of good TE/ST types available. That said, I have NO faith in Mullen realizing STs are a problem and making a change to fix it.Quote:
Originally Posted by sandawg
Yep.. Let's see if Scotty can step up.. Doing something big here that needs to be done could take some heat off his ass...Quote:
Originally Posted by engie
The heat will stay on until he pulls the plug on Ray, regardless of football. And please don't hijack this thread, hoops trolls.Quote:
Originally Posted by mic
Yes and yes... That's why he needs to get this done...Quote:
Originally Posted by War Machine Dawg
I believe Clark was only getting 500,000 from UAB. So I'm pretty sure that wouldn't be too difficult to counter (he turned down Troy's offer of $660,000). Coach O would be a good fit, but who would coach LB's?
Kind of bothers me that everybody is so fired up about maybe getting Orgeron as our DC. Seems like most of the time when State fans have their hopes up, they are dashed; e.g., Alabama and Ole Miss this year. Really hope we get him, though. I doubt if we would see the terrible defensive performance again that we saw in the Ole Miss game.
I'm so pumped about Coach O. Please let this happen. O called a lot of the Defense at Ole Miss and at USC. He will bring aggressiveness back to our D. If this happens give Mullen credit for not being worried about having another strong personality on staff. Also, Mullen's weakness is recruiting. He would be addressing that by bringing on the best recruiter in the country. We should be able to get anyone we want out of Louisiana that LSU doesn't sign.
That's my whole problem with this scenario. Doesn't have LB experience or DC experience. Teams that are good or trying to become mainstays at the top don't sacrifice on the field play for some recruiting. I believe we would be doing that with this hire. If we hire Orgeron and keep everyone else, we would have no one on defense that has coached LB's in 15 years. That's a huge problem in my opinion and not worth the potential recruiting impact.Quote:
Originally Posted by defiantdog
I have zero problem with O, but for some reason it feels weird knowing he could be on our staff. I guess because he isn't the typical MSU hire. That being said, the typical MSU hires have gotten us nowhere prior to Mullen's arrival, so bring on Yaw Yaw.
Who is rumored to be the "other" hire you guys keep mentioning? Is it a LB coach? Shannon? Clark? Someone tell me the rumors. PM me if you'd rather keep it private.
Please just relax on the LB coach thing. It will work out. And even if it's Coach O coaching the LB's, he can handle it.Quote:
Originally Posted by MetEdDawg
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Originally Posted by engie
I'm willing to bet this has to do with why Mullen's extension hasn't been announced yet
I just want to know why you think he can handle it considering he hasn't coached it in 20 years. I think his name and recruiting ability is masking two fairly obvious flaws of this hire as a defensive coordinator, and that's the complete lack of LB coaching experience we would have on staff assuming that's the position he would take over if he is hired, and that he's never been a defensive coordinator.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoopsDawg
I can't believe some would want to hire someone as our defensive coordinator and LB coach that doesn't have DC experience or LB experience but can recruit very well. I agree the potential is there, but to me the ONLY way this is a home run hire is if Orgeron gets paid to be the DL coach and recruiting coordinator and we go out and find a DC like a Clark or a Durkin or a Shannon that actually has DC experience and can coach LBs.
It might work out yes. But if we think Turner as our DL coach and Orgeron as our DC/LB coach or Orgeron as the DC/DL coach and Turner as the LB coach is a home run than we've become very misguided as a fan base in what a successful program looks like. A home run is Turner goes to UF or we "go a different direction" and we shell out big bucks to hire Orgeron as the DL coach/recruiting coordinator and Clark/Shannon/Durkin as our DC/LB coach.
So two DL coaches and two secondary coaches and that's it, none of which have technically served as a DC? I don't believe that is the final solution.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew