Position battles '15

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Originally Posted by HoopsDawg

There is another option and that would be to move either Calhoun, Redmond, or Cleveland to FS to get some coverage ability back there. I would actually go ahead and do it in bowl practice. I would not want to play any team in a bowl game other than GT with the guys we used against OM.

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I like the Cleveland to FS idea. It sure as hell wouldn't be any worse. I think that may depend on how Cedric Giles comes back and how Irvin-Sills develops though.

Cadaver- all was well with our OL- they played very well this year as they led us to the best offense in school history and 9th in the country. When we started running N-S in the 2nd half Saturday- suddenly the holes were there. We ran for 100 yards in the 2nd half

Things like the sack by CJ- thatwas on Dakota not Beckwith. He pulling for right side to kick CJ out- and Dakota floated outside. He's got to step up inside that block and throw the ball. Beckwith cant pull from the backside and block CJ back to the inside- not gonna happen.

We did make a bunch of mistakes vs blitzes. That was confusion and not lack of talent. Terrible job getting prepared for all that. That's on Hev and Mullen

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Where does Chris Jones end up?

Who takes Cheetah's place? If I see Jackson there I'll be very concerned.

Center? That's big in our offense

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Originally Posted by Coach34

Cadaver- all was well with our OL- they played very well this year as they led us to the best offense in school history and 9th in the country. When we started running N-S in the 2nd half Saturday- suddenly the holes were there. We ran for 100 yards in the 2nd half

Things like the sack by CJ- thatwas on Dakota not Beckwith. He pulling for right side to kick CJ out- and Dakota floated outside. He's got to step up inside that block and throw the ball. Beckwith cant pull from the backside and block CJ back to the inside- not gonna happen.

We did make a bunch of mistakes vs blitzes. That was confusion and not lack of talent. Terrible job getting prepared for all that. That's on Hev and Mullen

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Might better watch the replay and take a look at RT.

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Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew

I really think we're 1 OT away from having a very solid OL. Senior, Malone, Clayborn, & Desper I'm comfortable with. If we can add Rankin or if Joq continues to build on how he's practice the past month or so we'll be fine. DL landing Swain or Carr, Swain preferably, would give us I think a solid 4 man rotation at DT. Jones, Adams, James, & Juco. Also allow Thomas & Hoyett to come along at a slower pace. We have 4 upper classmen at DE. Jefferson, Brown, Coleman, & Calvin. Harris will be the 5TH DE in the rotation. People are really sleeping on Jung in the LB rotation. If he gets here in January I could easily see Brown, Brown, & Jung starting with Jackson, Green, & Gray as 1B. Safety I'm not totally as down on Coman & Evans as others esp Coman. Saying that Bryant, Wells, Peters, & Mclaurin will have their opportunities to see the field & get as much playing time as they want if they're ready. Peters could start if he can pick up the mental aspect of the game bc the physical ability we haven't seen back there since Darren Williams.

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If Robinson is healthy he will be the other o-lineman.

Peters mental aspect of the game right now isn't any worse than Evans and Coman. And even if/when he screws up, he has the athletic ability to make it up for it a lot of the time.

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Originally Posted by Coach34

Back-up QB

Where does Chris Jones end up?

Who takes Cheetah's place? If I see Jackson there I'll be very concerned.

Center? That's big in our offense

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CJ will be at DT for sure. JT Gray or Jung should take Cheetah's spot, but you know it will be Jackson. C will be Clayborn with an outside chance of Calhoun.

If Robinson is healthy I still don't think he starts. All that talk about him starting last year before he was injured was just talk for a Sr who had given a lot to the program. If Robinson is starting things have went terribly wrong.

I say mental aspect bc I'm pretty sure at Bassfield he's never ran more than 2 or 3 defenses & never had to really read offenses. Ask Justin Cox how much athletic ability makes up mental mistakes & screw ups.

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Originally Posted by HoopsDawg

CJ will be at DT for sure. JT Gray or Jung should take Cheetah's spot, but you know it will be Jackson. C will be Clayborn with an outside chance of Calhoun.

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Collins has a habit of putting our best LBs on the field even if he doesn't do it for other positions. I think we'll see our best 3, whoever that may be by then...

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Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew

If Robinson is healthy I still don't think he starts. All that talk about him starting last year before he was injured was just talk for a Sr who had given a lot to the program. If Robinson is starting things have went terribly wrong.

I say mental aspect bc I'm pretty sure at Bassfield he's never ran more than 2 or 3 defenses & never had to really read offenses. Ask Justin Cox how much athletic ability makes up mental mistakes & screw ups.

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If Robinson can't start, should we bring him back?

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Originally Posted by msstate7

If Robinson can't start, should we bring him back?

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I asked myself the same question.

Robinson will not be our stating OT- not gonna happen. Calhoun and Jenkins are going to play some next year for sure.

I'm not "worried" about the OL per say because we have some guys to plug in to do the job- especially if we get the juco OT. We'll have some depth. I just worry about them gelling and being ready for LSU by Game 2. Hev is gonna have to do some damn coaching

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Originally Posted by Coach34

Back-up QB

Where does Chris Jones end up?

Who takes Cheetah's place? If I see Jackson there I'll be very concerned.

Center? That's big in our offense

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CJ's a DT..... He just lacks the speed to be a SEC DE.

Gray and Harris will fight out for Cheetah's spot. I expect to see Green in that spot on some occasions as well. (All of those guys are 4.4 guys)

Looks like Clayborn is being groomed for the center spot

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Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew

If Robinson is healthy I still don't think he starts. All that talk about him starting last year before he was injured was just talk for a Sr who had given a lot to the program. If Robinson is starting things have went terribly wrong.

I say mental aspect bc I'm pretty sure at Bassfield he's never ran more than 2 or 3 defenses & never had to really read offenses. Ask Justin Cox how much athletic ability makes up mental mistakes & screw ups.

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I'll ask Cox if you ask Tony Conner the same question.

Safety and o line are the only glaring ? Marks to me as far as who will play.

As far as just next year in general, I'm crazy punped to see how much better bear will be. I also hope we feature ross as much as we should. He's a freak

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

I'll ask Cox if you ask Tony Conner the same question.

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Boom goes the dynamite

If Robinson coming off a major knee injury is in our starting rotation, we have a ****ing problem.

I agree with Coach, no way Robinson starts for us next year.

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Originally Posted by Political Hack

Collins has a habit of putting our best LBs on the field even if he doesn't do it for other positions. I think we'll see our best 3, whoever that may be by then...

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If Collins DOES put our best linebackers on the field....I would have to lean towards JT Gray starting over ZJack, or at least getting tons of reps, because to burn that guy's redshirt showed me they think he will only be here 3 years anyway. Or maybe I'm reading too much into him.

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

I'll ask Cox if you ask Tony Conner the same question.

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Yea you can ask him why Tony picked up the mental aspect & he didn't. Ask OM coaches Tony is 1 of the smartest players on their defense.

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Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew

Yea you can ask him why Tony picked up the mental aspect & he didn't. Ask OM coaches Tony is 1 of the smartest players on their defense.

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Peters is a LOT more comparable to Conner than he is to Cox. And he's already better than Evans and Coman- which really is what SHOULD be the point.

I've seen Peters play before, and the one thing that I noticed that stood out to me is he rarely takes bad angles and he is always in position in coverage. He may only know two or three defenses, coverages or whatever else, but what he does know, he plays very well fundamentally. I saw Conner plenty of times when he was in high school as well and to me he was more instinctive than anything- which is not a bad trait at all. But that has more to do with athleticism than football intelligence. Peters is already better in coverage than Conner was at this same point in their careers.

And if Collins keeps running the shit we saw Saturday, it won't take Peters long to pick that up. He'll know four coverages in addition to the three he already knows.

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Originally Posted by CadaverDawg

I agree with your list. But most of all, I'll be interested to see if it actually matters who wins a competition, or will our coaches simply play the one with more experience. It's different with guys like Jones versus guys like Peters. You can mask poor technique with a DL, but a mistake by a Safety can cost you points immediately....so I just don't think Mullen/Collins will put a freshman back at safety, much less 2. Should be interesting.

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You forgot Coleman on the d-line