Ohio State committee ranking by week - 16, 16, 16, 14, 8, 6

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11-26-2014, 07:26 PM
blacklistedbully

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Originally Posted by Coach34

State has remained in the top 4 for every poll- so we are suddenly going to get booted in the last one for no reason???

Chris Carter say "C'mon Mane"

Coach, you seem to have a mental block when it comes to the other side of this argument. NOBODY is saying it could happen for "no reason", rather reasons have been provided every time. If you prefer not to counter the reason - fine, but please don't act like nobody has given possible reasons.

There are a few, but the one quick one that's been mentioned in thos thread more than once, is that Ohio State gets to play for a Conference Championship, and against either Wisconsin or Minnesota, either of who will be higher-ranked than Ole Miss, especially after we beat them. So, while we are idle, Ohio State not only has a chance to beat a highly-ranked team, but in the same process to lay claim to a CC, something the committee has stated will be a factor. It is even on their website.

Now, consider that there is precedent for this very thing with OSU, when they leaped past Baylor when Baylor was idle. All Ohio State did that week was beat then #25 Minnesota, and for that the committee took them from #8, over #7 Baylor to #6. And in that case, it was a lower-ranked team they beat AND it didn't also come with a CC.

Now you may feel strongly the committee won't do that to us, but you should realize they damn well did it to Baylor, and for less reason than they would have if OSU beats whoever they play for the B10 Championship.
11-26-2014, 07:35 PM
blacklistedbully

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Originally Posted by Johnson85

To believe that OSU will pass us is to believe that the Committee members are idiots and/or have no shame. The only reason to move OSU ahead of us would be a nod to potential tv ratings in the playoffs (although I'm not sure having OSU there really brings that much more interest. Are college football fans really not going to watch the playoffs?). It's certainly possible that the committee will let that be determinative, but what is there incentive to do that? I doubt ESPN will be giving them payments under the table. Maybe some of the committee members are fans of a team that will make the playoffs and want the field to be as weak as possible but are they really going to want to come out and say, after months and months of talk about how the playoff will be the best four teams, that that was all BS and really it's the four strongest conference champions?

Well on the rivals.com main board, almost NOBODY thinks we'll stay #4. It is almost unanimously Ohio State, with a few predicting Baylor or TCU. Even other SEC fans think we'll get passed over in the end.

While I know a lot of them are, in fact, idiots, are they ALL idiots?
11-26-2014, 07:47 PM
msstate7

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Originally Posted by blacklistedbully

Well on the rivals.com main board, almost NOBODY thinks we'll stay #4. It is almost unanimously Ohio State, with a few predicting Baylor or TCU. Even other SEC fans think we'll get passed over in the end.

While I know a lot of them are, in fact, idiots, are they ALL idiots?

If you watch tv and listen to all the analysts, you can't help but form this opinion.

If you notice a lot of these analysts are shocked with the top 25 every week. If they're shocked by rankings week to week, what makes you think they know what the end result will be 2 weeks from now?
11-26-2014, 07:58 PM
ShotgunDawg

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Originally Posted by msstate7

If you watch tv and listen to all the analysts, you can't help but form this opinion.

If you notice a lot of these analysts are shocked with the top 25 every week. If they're shocked by rankings week to week, what makes you think they know what the end result will be 2 weeks from now?

This

Shotgun is retiring from "Playoff Talk" till after the weekend when we will have more information. At this point, we've beaten this horse to the point where we all must admit, "we don't know".

We don't know because no one knows who will lose this weekend and how much the committee values a conference championship. Do they value it 1% or 30%? No one knows.

I'm out
11-26-2014, 08:00 PM
Coach34

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Originally Posted by blacklistedbully

Coach, you seem to have a mental block when it comes to the other side of this argument. NOBODY is saying it could happen for "no reason", rather reasons have been provided every time. If you prefer not to counter the reason - fine, but please don't act like nobody has given possible reasons.

No- there is no reason. Listen closely:

We have the best resume' out there.
We will share the SEC West title but lose the tiebreaker- the best conference in history this year- with all members being bowl-bound
Our only loss is on the road, by 5 points, to the nation's #1 team

We win Saturday- we are in- and may be #3 before it's said and done. We are closer to being 3rd than 5th
11-26-2014, 08:17 PM
blacklistedbully

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Originally Posted by Coach34

No- there is no reason. Listen closely:

We have the best resume' out there.
We will share the SEC West title but lose the tiebreaker- the best conference in history this year- with all members being bowl-bound
Our only loss is on the road, by 5 points, to the nation's #1 team

We win Saturday- we are in- and may be #3 before it's said and done. We are closer to being 3rd than 5th

Here are counters to your position:

By next week we may be sitting with 1-lower-ranked T-25 win, period. If LSU & Arky lose, and we beat the shit outta TSUN, this could happen. OSU, on the other hand, could finish that week with wins over Top 10 Michigan State, Top 14 Wisconsin, Top 25 Minnesota AND have a B10 Championship. At that point, arguing that our 5-point loss to #1 Bama trumps OSU's "quality wins" simply because they lost by 14 early in the season to a bad VT is skating on very thin ice.

We will be Co-West Division champs, but that is not rewarded by the committee, only CC's are.

I really hope you're right, and I actually expect us to stay in, in part because I remain hopeful the committee will still think we deserve it, but mainly because I think FSU will lose, and maybe even Oregon. I also think Wisky would beat OSU in the CG.

But for arguments sake, we just differ in opinion on whether there is no way we get left out if everything rolls the right way for either OSU or Baylor. I think a reasonable argument can be made, but you think it's completely out of the question.
11-26-2014, 08:35 PM
Coach34

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Originally Posted by blacklistedbully

Here are counters to your position:

By next week we may be sitting with 1-lower-ranked T-25 win, period.

The committee leader- Jeff Long- said games would be judged on their ranking at the time. Period
11-26-2014, 08:45 PM
I seen it dawg

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Originally Posted by blacklistedbully

Well on the rivals.com main board, almost NOBODY thinks we'll stay #4. It is almost unanimously Ohio State, with a few predicting Baylor or TCU. Even other SEC fans think we'll get passed over in the end.

While I know a lot of them are, in fact, idiots, are they ALL idiots?

They all know, or are regurgitating, the same unknowing shit that the espn guys are. NOBODY in the media knows anything.
11-26-2014, 09:18 PM
ShotgunDawg

Uh, YOU PULL ME BACK IN...It won't come down the resumes. They will put in who they want and who they think are the best 4 teams. That's why they keep making stuff up and changing the criteria every week.

They just put out rankings to appease people and recognize win/loss records. They are well aware that unranked Arkansas, LSU, Texas A&M, and, potentially, Ole Miss after this weekend, are far far better than Marshall and Boise, who Ole Miss blew out. Due to this obvious issue, the committee is well aware that MSU's resume is far better than its actual wins vs top 25 teams, and, due to this, they simply can't hold firm to the "top 25 wins" narrative. This is what Long was trying to say last night with the quote on knowing where teams were ranked when MSU played them, but it's tough to explain this without being critical of ranked teams, that are simply ranked there due to win/loss record and not due to quality. The committee members aren't retards.

This is where the media is missing the boat. They used the "resume" stuff early when it made sense. Now everyone is still trying to use the same method, but the committee isn't. THEY KNOW WHO THE BEST 4 TEAMS ARE.
11-26-2014, 10:54 PM
SDDawg

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

THEY KNOW WHO THE BEST 4 TEAMS ARE.

Right- that's why Bama jumped to #1 AFTER THEY BEAT US. The best teams are already seeded and unless they screw it up they're in.
11-26-2014, 10:57 PM
ShotgunDawg

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Originally Posted by randyholloway

Right- that's why Bama jumped to #1 AFTER THEY BEAT US. The best teams are already seeded and unless they screw it up they're in.

My thoughts as well.

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