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06-17-2014, 12:31 PM
Esmerelda Villalobos

Like it or not, Ray gets 2 more years.
Let's just support him and if he succeeds, great. If he doesnt, we can hire Stan Jones.
06-17-2014, 12:44 PM
Dawg61

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Originally Posted by Ennis Del Mar

Like it or not, Ray gets till the new baseball park is built. Then we can focus money on basketball.
Let's just support him and if he succeeds, great. If he doesnt, we can hire Stan Jones.

fify
06-17-2014, 12:50 PM
Jacksondevildog

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Originally Posted by Dawg61

fify

I don't think people realize how exactly correct your post truly is in regards to the baseball stadium.
06-17-2014, 01:01 PM
Esmerelda Villalobos

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Originally Posted by Jacksondevildog

I don't think people realize how exactly correct your post truly is in regards to the baseball stadium.

? Explain ?

What is fify?
06-17-2014, 01:18 PM
Jacksondevildog

I meant to quote the response about the baseball stadium. Us being down in hoops has put more financial focus on the baseball stadium renovations. I know that for a fact.
06-17-2014, 01:18 PM
TheRef

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Originally Posted by Ennis Del Mar

? Explain ?

What is fify?

FIFY=Fixed it for you
06-17-2014, 01:34 PM
Esmerelda Villalobos

Ahhh, so yall can handle bball until 2017?
06-17-2014, 02:15 PM
maroonmania

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Originally Posted by thf24

This. I hate to pull Stansbury's name into the issue, but as good of a recruiter as he was, did he himself ever land one of these top-rated guys that every big name program wanted? It's true that Ray hasn't shown a lot of recruiting ability thus far, but losing out on a top-rated, nationally-recruited player isn't a strike against him.

Now I don't know what chance Stans would have had with Newman given people here think Horatio didn't like him but yes, Stans pulled in quite a few top name players like you are talking about in guys like Monta Ellis, Jonathan Bender, Travis Outlaw, Mario Austin, Rodney Hood and even Renardo Sidney (as bad as that turned out). There were others that were just below that level that he reeled in as well.
06-17-2014, 02:17 PM
Esmerelda Villalobos

Romero Osby and goodridge were wanted by everyone too
06-17-2014, 02:20 PM
Homedawg

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Originally Posted by maroonmania

Now I don't know what chance Stans would have had with Newman given people here think Horatio didn't like him but yes, Stans pulled in quite a few top name players like you are talking about in guys like Monta Ellis, Jonathan Bender, Travis Outlaw, Mario Austin, Rodney Hood and even Renardo Sidney (as bad as that turned out). There were others that were just below that level that he reeled in as well.

He lost his fair share from in state too, D. Rice, A. Mcdyess, and J. Reed, just to name a few. With that said he was a good recruiter and excelled in getting many of his top targets. His problem was keeping them and then coaching them up.
06-17-2014, 02:26 PM
Dawg61

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Originally Posted by Ennis Del Mar

Ahhh, so yall can handle bball until 2017?

I'm not cool with us sucking till the completion of the park because I believe we can afford to build the stadium and hire a $2mill a year basketball coach at the same time. If we have to wait till 2017 we will lose a lot of fans for a long time. If they'd make a big hire in basketball it'd actually generate more money towards the new park. I think they have the steps backwards.
06-17-2014, 02:28 PM
Esmerelda Villalobos

If ray doesnt win this year or next, he is gone. So 2016 if he keeps losing.

I dont think the stadium will be held up by basketball regardless.
06-17-2014, 02:35 PM
Dawg61

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Originally Posted by Ennis Del Mar

I dont think the stadium will be held up by basketball regardless.

No it's the exact opposite that I'm saying is the case. The basketball hire will be delayed till the completion of the stadium.
06-17-2014, 02:36 PM
thf24

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Originally Posted by maroonmania

Now I don't know what chance Stans would have had with Newman given people here think Horatio didn't like him but yes, Stans pulled in quite a few top name players like you are talking about in guys like Monta Ellis, Jonathan Bender, Travis Outlaw, Mario Austin, Rodney Hood and even Renardo Sidney (as bad as that turned out). There were others that were just below that level that he reeled in as well.

I'm not going to all out disagree because I honestly didn't mean to and don't want to take any shots at Stansbury, but I have a hard time counting those he didn't get to campus as players successfully recruited. That's not to say Stansbury should have been able to convince them to put off a sure spot in the pros to go to school; I just think you can't say their recruitments would have been the same had they and everyone else not been pretty sure they were NBA-bound. I'd also put Hood on that "just below" level you mentioned, and Sidney isn't the same in that he no longer had unlimited options when it came time to sign the papers.

Again, I don't mean this as a slight against Stansbury in any way; I just think it's unfair to hold Newman against Ray when even the best recruiter in our program's history didn't have a ton of success recruiting players of his caliber with his options.
06-17-2014, 04:08 PM
Tbonewannabe

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Originally Posted by thf24

I'm not going to all out disagree because I honestly didn't mean to and don't want to take any shots at Stansbury, but I have a hard time counting those he didn't get to campus as players successfully recruited. That's not to say Stansbury should have been able to convince them to put off a sure spot in the pros to go to school; I just think you can't say their recruitments would have been the same had they and everyone else not been pretty sure they were NBA-bound. I'd also put Hood on that "just below" level you mentioned, and Sidney isn't the same in that he no longer had unlimited options when it came time to sign the papers.

Again, I don't mean this as a slight against Stansbury in any way; I just think it's unfair to hold Newman against Ray when even the best recruiter in our program's history didn't have a ton of success recruiting players of his caliber with his options.

No one thought Montae Ellis was going to the NBA.
06-17-2014, 04:16 PM
maroonmania

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Originally Posted by thf24

I'm not going to all out disagree because I honestly didn't mean to and don't want to take any shots at Stansbury, but I have a hard time counting those he didn't get to campus as players successfully recruited. That's not to say Stansbury should have been able to convince them to put off a sure spot in the pros to go to school; I just think you can't say their recruitments would have been the same had they and everyone else not been pretty sure they were NBA-bound. I'd also put Hood on that "just below" level you mentioned, and Sidney isn't the same in that he no longer had unlimited options when it came time to sign the papers.

Again, I don't mean this as a slight against Stansbury in any way; I just think it's unfair to hold Newman against Ray when even the best recruiter in our program's history didn't have a ton of success recruiting players of his caliber with his options.

Well no we didn't get them to campus but I don't think their recruitment would have been much different today. I don't think anyone backed off those guys because they MIGHT go pro. In fact Ellis may have been the only one that most thought would go pro and he ended up in the second round but signed anyway. Bender shot up the draft in the McD AA game well after signing and nobody really though Outlaw was a serious threat to get drafted but he did as like the last pick in the first round. It could change but right now Ray's recruiting of in-state players is not even on the same planet with what Stans had going. And yea, I know Stans had some help but he also worked his ass off in the recruiting game as well. Anyone who has ever heard about the effort he put in to get Austin away from Bama knows that.
06-17-2014, 07:19 PM
Coach34

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Originally Posted by Tbonewannabe

No one thought Montae Ellis was going to the NBA.

da ****?

I dont know anybody that didnt. I talked to a football coach from Murrah the summer before his Sr year and he told me Ellis was NBA all the way- he would never see college. Outlaw was headed to the NBA also if there was any chance. Bender was the only surprise because he blew up atthe McDonald's game.

Holy shit- Ellis was always a pipe dream
06-17-2014, 07:20 PM
Coach34

I see my retort to Grandpa about the "old network" fell on deaf ears

Ray has 2 more seasons folks- might as well get used to it
06-18-2014, 12:54 AM
Tbonewannabe

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Originally Posted by Coach34

da ****?

I dont know anybody that didnt. I talked to a football coach from Murrah the summer before his Sr year and he told me Ellis was NBA all the way- he would never see college. Outlaw was headed to the NBA also if there was any chance. Bender was the only surprise because he blew up atthe McDonald's game.

Holy shit- Ellis was always a pipe dream

Well he barely went in the first round and at the time no 6 foot shooting guard had went straight to the nba. You really need to get over the Stans hate. Travis Outlaw was going when he got a 1st round guarantee from Portland. Bender was actually the most prototypical high school player because he was 6'11 and could shoot.
06-18-2014, 06:52 AM
Coach34

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Originally Posted by Tbonewannabe

Well he barely went in the first round and at the time no 6 foot shooting guard had went straight to the nba. .

but all they were told was that he was going to get drafted mid-1st

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