Some MSU Recruiting Thoughts (article)

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Originally Posted by Coach34

It's so hard because State fans for whatever reason refuse to pull in the same direction. Every time we take steps forward, we take 2 1/2 steps backward. We went to a NYD Bowl in 2012, while our rival went to a shit bowl in Birmingham that has changed names a few times- yet somehow have some of our fans feeling like we had a losing season. I dont understand that. Nobody hated losing to those mf'ers more than I did- I can assure you of that- but that still doesnt change that we had the better season.

Who won more games in 2012? State
Who had the longest winning streak in 2012? State
Who won more conference games? State

We lost the battle- but won the war. Now, we have a new season in front of us and it's time to get ready for this season.

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I think it's fear of having to deal with failure. They know that failure will come at some point in time, however that is defined, and that people will "make fun" of them. I think for a lot of our fans, it's just "easier" to deal with things in their mind if they expect the worse because then they are "pleasantly surprised" if we win and it somehow makes "winning better when you don't expect it".

That's just me perception based on having heard other MSU fans over the years.

However you cut it, it's a loser attitude.

Oh and since when the hell did "rational" mean believing whatever kind of crap Ole Miss spews about us?

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Originally Posted by Goat Holder

If you really want to know how you can help MSU win long-term, you do the follow things: Buy tickets, go to games, give to the Bulldog Club, and most importantly....get involved with student recruiting. Get more people interested in MSU. Fly your flags at your house and on your car. Wear the clothes. It's more than sports. Much more.

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Yeah, do that...and more. Everybody needs to be all in for Mississippi State. If we want to be a legit SEC program we need to be a legit SEC fanbase.

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

I think it's fear of having to deal with failure. They know that failure will come at some point in time, however that is defined, and that people will "make fun" of them. I think for a lot of our fans, it's just "easier" to deal with things in their mind if they expect the worse because then they are "pleasantly surprised" if we win and it somehow makes "winning better when you don't expect it".

That's just me perception based on having heard other MSU fans over the years.

However you cut it, it's a loser attitude.

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You just hit the nail so hard it went clear through the wood.

Hey Todd....I honestly can't find a better assessment than the posts you made here in this thread. Should be a sticky. I'm even guilty of some those things....many of those things. But I'm in the boat with Cadaver....there's potential on this board. Some of us are just about sick and damn tired of getting the short end of the stick. We all know we're better than this shit. I'm well traveled.....I've seen what we've got and I've seen what others have. No reason for us to sit back and not take advantage. It's not like we aren't used to fighting and clawing for everything we get. Let's f*cking do it. That's how revolutions happen.

OK...enough with the cheeseball rant, but f*ck it. This is a multi-million dollar business. No taking prisoners any more....it's more than a damn game honestly.

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Originally Posted by Goat Holder

Hey Todd....I honestly can't find a better assessment than the posts you made here in this thread. Should be a sticky. I'm even guilty of some those things....many of those things. But I'm in the boat with Cadaver....there's potential on this board. Some of us are just about sick and damn tired of getting the short end of the stick. We all know we're better than this shit. I'm well traveled.....I've seen what we've got and I've seen what others have. No reason for us to sit back and not take advantage. It's not like we aren't used to fighting and clawing for everything we get. Let's f*cking do it. That's how revolutions happen.

OK...enough with the cheeseball rant, but f*ck it. This is a multi-million dollar business. No taking prisoners any more....it's more than a damn game honestly.

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Boom.

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Originally Posted by Goat Holder

Hey Todd....I honestly can't find a better assessment than the posts you made here in this thread. Should be a sticky. I'm even guilty of some those things....many of those things. But I'm in the boat with Cadaver....there's potential on this board. Some of us are just about sick and damn tired of getting the short end of the stick. We all know we're better than this shit. I'm well traveled.....I've seen what we've got and I've seen what others have. No reason for us to sit back and not take advantage. It's not like we aren't used to fighting and clawing for everything we get. Let's f*cking do it. That's how revolutions happen.

OK...enough with the cheeseball rant, but f*ck it. This is a multi-million dollar business. No taking prisoners any more....it's more than a damn game honestly.

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"Immortality, take it, it's your's!!!!"

- Brad Pitt in Troy

I approve this thread.

As a recent grad, I can tell you that another problem is going to be the microwave mentality of my generation (myself included). Last season turned off A LOT of young people to Mullen because it was such a miserable crash and burn, followed by Freeze "working Mullen" in recruiting. You've got to understand a lot of people (especially among those I know personally) think Freeze is about to keep working Mullen. I personally hope things have been corrected, but cautious pessimism is the theme right now.

Honestly, #WeBelieve, followed by the 1-5 finish probably ended up doing more harm than good.

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Originally Posted by Coach34

It's so hard because State fans for whatever reason refuse to pull in the same direction. Every time we take steps forward, we take 2 1/2 steps backward. We went to a NYD Bowl in 2012, while our rival went to a shit bowl in Birmingham that has changed names a few times- yet somehow have some of our fans feeling like we had a losing season. I dont understand that. Nobody hated losing to those mf'ers more than I did- I can assure you of that- but that still doesnt change that we had the better season.

Who won more games in 2012? State
Who had the longest winning streak in 2012? State
Who won more conference games? State

We lost the battle- but won the war. Now, we have a new season in front of us and it's time to get ready for this season.

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I honestly amazes me how many State fans think one great recruiting class and Egg Bowl win make them invincible now. That's bull, and I hope most State fans know it, but they don't seem to.

I say through a decade of misery and we have people complaining about 1 year of a meager 7 wins? I don't think it's the season they were disappointed in. it was the Egg Bowl loss. Without that loss, everyone would be fine.

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Originally Posted by bluelightstar

Last season turned off A LOT of young people to Mullen because it was such a miserable crash and burn, followed by Freeze "working Mullen" in recruiting.

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Nothing personal at all, and I know you are a great poster on multiple boards, but this part of what you said makes for a good example IMO.

In what way did Freeze allegedly "work Mullen" in recruiting? Last I checked, we won more than half of the head to head battles with them -- in a year when the talent in the state was heavily in OM strongholds, which is very different from this year when much of it falls in MSU strongholds. We took 5 of the top 9 in MS, they got 3 -- 2 legacies and a South Panola kid. Then, we basically split in JUCO recruiting. This statement, to me is another example of MSU fans buying into OM propaganda hook, line, and sinker IMO...

Why can't we just say that they had a great class following a crappy class -- and we had a very good class, which followed another very, very good class -- and leave it at that? Because a bunch of our fanbase seems to be genetically predisposed to cower to them at the first sign of trouble...and those same people will then be upset at the "undeserved" OM Superiority Complex that they've constantly fed with their actions. See the cycle here?

Someone has to break that cycle -- and it's about damn time we did.

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Originally Posted by Political Hack

I say through a decade of misery and we have people complaining about 1 year of a meager 7 wins? I don't think it's the season they were disappointed in. it was the Egg Bowl loss. Without that loss, everyone would be fine.

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Exactly. Fickle nature of this fanbase that is an achilles heel to our progress. It needs to be corrected before we can ever hope to truly move up a tier.

If we win in Houston, everyone and then some will be back on the bandwagon swearing they never left...It's really that simple...

But then you get these responses:

- If you care that much about sports, you should check your priorities
- If you get that mad, you should be a fan of another team
- That's the way it's always been
- I've been a fan for 590 years
- Etc Etc Etc

Now it would help a little bit if we could win something once in a while. But remember this is the same fan base who has basically booed every QB we've ever had off the field. The Dontae Walker situation ONLY happens at MSU. Nowhere else.

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Originally Posted by engie

Nothing personal at all, and I know you are a great poster on multiple boards, but this part of what you said makes for a good example IMO.

In what way did Freeze allegedly "work Mullen" in recruiting? Last I checked, we won more than half of the head to head battles with them -- in a year when the talent in the state was heavily in OM strongholds, which is very different from this year when much of it falls in MSU strongholds. We took 5 of the top 9 in MS, they got 3 -- 2 legacies and a South Panola kid. Then, we basically split in JUCO recruiting. This statement, to me is another example of MSU fans buying into OM propaganda hook, line, and sinker IMO...

Why can't we just say that they had a great class following a crappy class -- and we had a very good class, which followed another very, very good class -- and leave it at that? Because a bunch of our fanbase seems to be genetically predisposed to cower to them at the first sign of trouble...and those same people will then be upset at the "undeserved" OM Superiority Complex that they've constantly fed with their actions. See the cycle here?

Someone has to break that cycle -- and it's about damn time we did.

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This^^^ All Damn Day!

We just gotta learn to play the damn game. Quit falling for propaganda and start creating our own! Nothing is EVER said on OM boards that can be used against them. Is that a coincidence? Hell no, it's a mindset...and a damn good one that we have to develop. Imagine if our fan base had the "all in" mindset without the douchey arrogance that most Rebels have...it would be a force to be reckoned with. Don't fall for shit....counter it.

they outrank us every year in recruiting, but we've whipped their arses 3 out if the last 4. we've apparently go better football players than they do.

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Originally Posted by engie

Nothing personal at all, and I know you are a great poster on multiple boards, but this part of what you said makes for a good example IMO.

In what way did Freeze allegedly "work Mullen" in recruiting? Last I checked, we won more than half of the head to head battles with them -- in a year when the talent in the state was heavily in OM strongholds, which is very different from this year when much of it falls in MSU strongholds. We took 5 of the top 9 in MS, they got 3 -- 2 legacies and a South Panola kid. Then, we basically split in JUCO recruiting. This statement, to me is another example of MSU fans buying into OM propaganda hook, line, and sinker IMO...

Why can't we just say that they had a great class following a crappy class -- and we had a very good class, which followed another very, very good class -- and leave it at that? Because a bunch of our fanbase seems to be genetically predisposed to cower to them at the first sign of trouble...and those same people will then be upset at the "undeserved" OM Superiority Complex that they've constantly fed with their actions. See the cycle here?

Someone has to break that cycle -- and it's about damn time we did.

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This. All day every day. The sixties are over. Ole Miss doesn't run a damned thing in Mississippi any more. The Oxford blue hairs are pissed that a younger generation of State fans won't toe the instate party line that the older MSU fans did for years, and I'm damned glad of that. What? They want a cookie for being "back?" Back where? Spotty NCs, never having competed for an SEC title, and one final four appearance. No Omaha since '71. Back. Laugh.My.Ass.Off.

They want a cookie for winning 3 0f the last 8 Egg Bowls? Since I was born in 1986, they are 14-13 verses State. I'm supposed to bow to a one game lead in my life time? You just went winless in your own conference twice in the last five years. GTFO with that weak "flagship" shit. If OM is the flagship university, there is little wonder things in Mississippi are as jacked up as they are.

Oh, and don't even get me started on Historical Perception outside of sports. The Ghost of Ole Miss Documentary wasn't exactly flattering..........

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Originally Posted by CadaverDawg

Nothing is EVER said on OM boards that can be used against them. Is that a coincidence?

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That's the thing -- this isn't true, they just don't have any highly-visible public msg boards for this kind of crap to be seen and archived at. It's out there if you dig though.

Here is what they think about Markell Pack(now that Neal is saying he's not giving OM much of a shot): http://www.secrant.com/rant/display....39877204&pg=55

This is the same type of thing that they've slaughtered us on in the past.

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Originally Posted by engie

Nothing personal at all, and I know you are a great poster on multiple boards, but this part of what you said makes for a good example IMO.

In what way did Freeze allegedly "work Mullen" in recruiting? Last I checked, we won more than half of the head to head battles with them -- in a year when the talent in the state was heavily in OM strongholds, which is very different from this year when much of it falls in MSU strongholds. We took 5 of the top 9 in MS, they got 3 -- 2 legacies and a South Panola kid. Then, we basically split in JUCO recruiting. This statement, to me is another example of MSU fans buying into OM propaganda hook, line, and sinker IMO...

Why can't we just say that they had a great class following a crappy class -- and we had a very good class, which followed another very, very good class -- and leave it at that? Because a bunch of our fanbase seems to be genetically predisposed to cower to them at the first sign of trouble...and those same people will then be upset at the "undeserved" OM Superiority Complex that they've constantly fed with their actions. See the cycle here?

Someone has to break that cycle -- and it's about damn time we did.

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I think this post may get posted at the top for awhile...we have gotten nearly double of the top 10 players in Mississippi that they have the last 2 years...Freezus aint working Mullen on anything...We've also won 8 of the last 9 Egg Bowls on Scott Field.Ask Eli about that ass-whoopin Kevin Fant gave him...home field in the Egg Bowl makes a huge difference.