Explain to me how Ray is a "lazy recruiter"?

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03-04-2014, 02:54 PM
Coach34

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Originally Posted by Dawg61

Look at the little details with Ray's recruiting to see the laziness. Troutman still doesn't have an offer from us. People want to discredit Troutman as a good enough player? Alright fine but WHO is Ray offering his 13th scholarship to? I'll hang up and listen.

Ray is lazy because he hasn't brought in immediate help when he needs it the most. Wasn't Colin Borchert placed at EMCC by Stansbury? Ray is about to get shitcanned and yet he still is on the slow molasses train to better your basketball program through years of suck and hustle. Where's the urgency to get immediate help? I haven't seen it since he showed up on campus yet he's quick to throw the ones Stansbury had out of his program.

A) Troutman doesnt have an offer because we are considering other players- are you that dense on this?

B) Just like Cohen- we arent going for the quick-fix but building the program the way it should be. It's not hard to figure out.

There is more to program building than just finding someone and signing them at the last minute
03-04-2014, 02:54 PM
C222

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Originally Posted by Dawg61

Look at the little details with Ray's recruiting to see the laziness. Troutman still doesn't have an offer from us. People want to discredit Troutman as a good enough player? Alright fine but WHO is Ray offering his 13th scholarship to? I'll hang up and listen.

Ray is lazy because he hasn't brought in immediate help when he needs it the most. Wasn't Colin Borchert placed at EMCC by Stansbury? Ray is about to get shitcanned and yet he still is on the slow molasses train to better your basketball program through years of suck and hustle. Where's the urgency to get immediate help? I haven't seen it since he showed up on campus yet he's quick to throw the ones Stansbury had out of his program.

Jackson Davis.
03-04-2014, 02:58 PM
mic

I wonder if Stans was still here or if we had hired another coach besides RR if Stanley would be making his way down to Starkville to play football and basketball.???? Will ES every play hoops or if he does be a difference maker on the court maybe / maybe not.. But if RR didn't have a little hand in this he wouldn't be playing Football on saturdays in the near future here either...
03-04-2014, 03:00 PM
mic

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Originally Posted by thf24

How do you define "superstar?" Stansbury only had a handful of players who could even come close to being called "superstars" in fifteen years, and you expect Ray to be recruiting them already? Besides, many of Stansbury's best players were either "role players" or lightly recruited.

I'm not trying to make this another Stansbury issue by the way, I'm just not extremely knowledgeable about MSU basketball before the late 90's and don't have much else to compare to.

and 2 of his top players were via transfers..
03-04-2014, 03:14 PM
Dawg61

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Originally Posted by C222

Jackson Davis.

Great so who is Ray offering his 13th scholarship to that will actually sign it? We have a better chance with Malik Newman than Jackson Davis.

http://www.courier-journal.com/artic...-attention-now
03-04-2014, 03:35 PM
C222

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Originally Posted by Dawg61

Great so who is Ray offering his 13th scholarship to that will actually sign it? We have a better chance with Malik Newman than Jackson Davis.

http://www.courier-journal.com/artic...-attention-now

So you want superstars but you don't want him going after superstars?? Got it.
03-04-2014, 03:42 PM
Dawg61

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Originally Posted by C222

So you want superstars but you don't want him going after superstars?? Got it.

I do want superstars and I'm glad he's going after him but like I've already said twenty times before I want Ray to fill up his entire roster. 13 scholarship players. By game 1 of 2014. He can't do it. I've called him out ten months before his due date and he still won't get it done. This is why Ray is lazy. And you all will finally see it 10 ****ing months from now. Get 13 Ray and KEEP 13 or get gone.
03-04-2014, 03:50 PM
SouthMsDawg

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Originally Posted by C222

Jackson Davis.

Just watched his highlights, kid is legit. Just seems as if we may be a little to late to the party seems as if Vandy is the team to beat for him.

Not sure how Rick Ray stands going head to head against Vandy.
03-04-2014, 03:53 PM
maroonmania

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Originally Posted by Coach34

He's put one player on the court. Hard to say what he is at this point- but it damn sure aint "lazy"

Fixed it for you. That one player is Ready, everyone else was already on the team the year before that's eligible. I mean technically Borchert, Bloodman, and Davis were in his shortened "first" recruiting class (and we lost Applewhite for some unknown reason) and they are actually contributing more than his FULL recruiting class of ONE so far. Why we chose to sign only 3 guys last year given 2 had academic problems is beyond me.
03-04-2014, 04:09 PM
Schultzy

17 61 and 13
03-04-2014, 04:21 PM
C222

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Originally Posted by SouthMsDawg

Just watched his highlights, kid is legit. Just seems as if we may be a little to late to the party seems as if Vandy is the team to beat for him.

Not sure how Rick Ray stands going head to head against Vandy.

He is really good. He committed to Rice last year and didn't sign in November. Everyone is offering him now. Vandy, UCONN, Butler, etc. We did visit with him a couple weeks ago but yeah, we are probably late.
03-04-2014, 04:29 PM
shannondawg

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Originally Posted by mic

How do you know they arent.??? Stands didn't even offer Summers at OM. He will prob get drafted in 2015.. He was a 3* from Mississippi..

I believe that was because he signed Deville. Wayne Brent made no mention of the problems that Deville was having. When asked later he "I thought you would have somebody that could fix him"
03-04-2014, 04:33 PM
Dawg61

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Originally Posted by shannondawg

I believe that was because he signed Deville. Wayne Brent made no mention of the problems that Deville was having. When asked later he "I thought you would have somebody that could fix him"

Deville Smith is playing just fine for UNLV right now. That's one we should of redshirted and gotten help for his second year instead of kicking to the curb. UNLV has a pretty decent team too. Much better than us.
03-04-2014, 04:39 PM
mic

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Originally Posted by shannondawg

I believe that was because he signed Deville. Wayne Brent made no mention of the problems that Deville was having. When asked later he "I thought you would have somebody that could fix him"

IM glad the kid apparently has gotten the help he needed and may have a great career at UNLV. But doesn't it throw up a HUGE red flag about where our program was.. Where Deville cant get the guidance and help he needs in STARKVILLE but he seems to be doing fine in VEGAS??? I have been to Vegas . A lot . With everything that is there and being basically on the strip Im not sure I could have stayed out of trouble in Vegas if I played there..
03-04-2014, 04:42 PM
quickstrike2

I don't know anything about his recruiting besides looking at the sites, but i wouldn't think he is a lazy recruiter. "Superstars" are tough to get, Mullen has trouble with this and hes went to 4 straight bowls. However, he gets the guys that will fit the system and develops them and that makes up for some of the difference. We will find out about Ray's recruiting soon enough, the next two years will show his ability to recruit and develop.
03-04-2014, 05:04 PM
shannondawg

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Originally Posted by mic

IM glad the kid apparently has gotten the help he needed and may have a great career at UNLV. But doesn't it throw up a HUGE red flag about where our program was.. Where Deville cant get the guidance and help he needs in STARKVILLE but he seems to be doing fine in VEGAS??? I have been to Vegas . A lot . With everything that is there and being basically on the strip Im not sure I could have stayed out of trouble in Vegas if I played there..

Now that takes the prize for "lets blame Stansbury". It wasn't a basketball problem..
03-04-2014, 05:08 PM
Coach34

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Originally Posted by maroonmania

Why we chose to sign only 3 guys last year given 2 had academic problems is beyond me.

because we can only have 13 guys on scholly, We cant oversign in basketball and pray it works out
03-04-2014, 05:10 PM
Coach34

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Originally Posted by Dawg61

Deville Smith is playing just fine for UNLV right now. That's one we should of redshirted and gotten help for his second year instead of kicking to the curb. UNLV has a pretty decent team too. Much better than us.

Smith was kicked out by the AD- Ray had nothing to do with Deville leaving. Sidney and Deville both were told there was no place for them at Miss State before we even hired Ray
03-04-2014, 05:15 PM
thf24

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Originally Posted by shannondawg

Now that takes the prize for "lets blame Stansbury". It wasn't a basketball problem..

Not Stansbury's fault in particular, but someone at UNLV obviously got him the help he needed that no one here managed to.
03-04-2014, 05:22 PM
Sandman14

Ole Coach34 pushing his anti-Stans agenda.

Rick Ray is an assistant, but Stricklin hired him to be a head coach. It was ignorant at the time, and now even the folks who have been sticking their head in the sand with all the "BOY HE CAN COACH" garbage have to admit that it is a colossal train wreck. Me personally, I could care less. I won't watch an MSU basketball game again until we are at least borderline tournament worthy. We used to be borderline tournament every single year, and basketball season was fun. Now it sucks. If you like it better now than before, then you are a loser. I like winning. Not get pummeled every day. Don't get this thing twisted. Rick Ray is no John Cohen. I told everyone on this board John Cohen was a top 5 coach in the country and literally got laughed at. Well lookie lookie. My my my how the times have changed.

It was ignorant to ever fire Stans without knowing you have a plan in place to effectively transition. All the garbage about how it went down, it's all a big smoke screen. Stans got pushed out, and it was an ignorant move. We were made to look like fools in the public perception because we couldn't execute even a mediocre hire after we fired a man who consistently was at the top of the SEC West where programs like LSU, Bama, and Auburn, all of which have huge pockets, can't hire a winner after decades of trying. We had a winner and we trashed him because he wasn't a top 10 coach. We will never have a top 10 coach because the top 10 coaches go to top 10 schools. You want to fire a winner "because we can't break through to the sweet 16, so if you want to put up with just making the tournament, then you are settling." Well, now that we've fired our winner, we still don't make sweet 16's. The only change is that now we are the worst program in the SEC. Congrats on that. It's exactly what I said would happen at the time.

Coach34: Be a man and own it. You had an agenda. You pushed it for years. You got your wish, and now you are holding a bad of dump. Nobody cares about whether Ray is a lazy recruiter. He's a shitty head coach. I can tell you that much. So who cares about his laziness.

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