Question for the Rick Ray fans

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02-13-2014, 06:29 PM
smootness

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Originally Posted by mic

That last sentence may be the stupidest thing I have ever heard.

Haha thank you, glad I wasn't the only one.
02-13-2014, 07:20 PM
Intramural All-American

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Originally Posted by tcdog70

this season ain't over yet, they could be worse at the end. Also their stats should be better with shitty teams we have played. how about figure SEC games only. then you have apples to apples. if a Soph. doesn't have better stats than he did as a Freshman you should cut Him.

I guess Barry Stewart would have gotten the ax. Good call bud.

I'd say Rocquez has improved, as well. Also, we were not unprepared to play in this 6 game losing streak. We played very well against both Florida and Kentucky. We were tied at the half at A&M, losing by 1 at the half against UGA, lost by 6 at Vandy, and we were very unprepared against Ole Miss. So 1 out of 6 games we were unprepared. 2 of the 6 may have been Ray's 2 best games as a coach, 2 of the six we ran out of gas in the second half, and the other game we lost by 6 in Nashville.
02-13-2014, 07:34 PM
Raytoraid83

Being tied at the half against A&M and down 1 against UGA and losing both those games by 20 shows we were unprepared second half.
02-13-2014, 07:42 PM
TheDogFather

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Originally Posted by quickstrike2

We need to support Rick Ray as our coach.

Why do we "need" to support Rick Ray as our coach?

Poor performance. Not enough wins. No sniffing of postseason. Questionable decisions.

No other coach has gotten a pass.
02-13-2014, 07:42 PM
Intramural All-American

No, it shows we have no depth and ran out of gas. We started jacking up 3s last night in desperation and that made the score worse. You get prepared for a game, not for each half. If you say we didn't make adjustments, I'm fine by that. But to say we weren't prepared going into those games is just flat wrong.
02-13-2014, 07:42 PM
tcdog70

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Originally Posted by mic

That last sentence may be the stupidest thing I have ever heard.

If a player is worse as a Soph. Than He was as a freshman then maybe He has peaked. you should be vastly improved as a player after a year with college Coaching than straight out of High School. What is stupid about that. If you have not improved then you must not be Coachable or you are getting shitty coaching.
02-13-2014, 07:55 PM
Intramural All-American

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Originally Posted by tcdog70

If a player is worse as a Soph. Than He was as a freshman then maybe He has peaked. you should be vastly improved as a player after a year with college Coaching than straight out of High School. What is stupid about that. If you have not improved then you must not be Coachable or you are getting shitty coaching.

Barry Stewart didn't get better. He was obviously coachable, so that must mean the latter then right? Well, I'm glad we put the whole Stansbury coaching issue to bed with that one. Thanks, TC!
02-13-2014, 07:55 PM
Coach34

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Originally Posted by tcdog70

If a player is worse as a Soph. Than He was as a freshman then maybe He has peaked. you should be vastly improved as a player after a year with college Coaching than straight out of High School. What is stupid about that. If you have not improved then you must not be Coachable or you are getting shitty coaching.

Barry Stewart Freshman 40% from field...3-ball 39.1%...FT 76.6%
Barry Stewart Soph 38.3% from field...3-ball 33%...FT 69.6%

Congrats John Wooden- you just cut Barry Stewart...was he not coachable or was it shitty coaching?
02-13-2014, 07:57 PM
BullDog

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Originally Posted by SouthMsDawg

Coach you may enjoy watching what was on the court last night, but I don't.

The fact remains our fans aren't very happy about performances like last night by our basketball team as much as you try to spin it.

EVERYBODY and i mean EVERYBODY has been winning at home and we had a very winable game last night and got run off our own floor.

If anybody thinks that Thomas is better this year as opposed to last they are crazy, hes scared shitless to shoot the ball half of the time.

Ware has yet to expand his game outside of the paint he posts hard but can only score when he gets in the paint, his post moves lack and he has yet to show his ability to face up and knock down a 12-15 foot jumper.

Jacolby Davis has been a HUGE disappointment.

The fact remains we could very likely have a 12 game losing streak going into the South Carolina game. Barry Booker said it last week and I chuckled at it saying no way we lose to Georgia at home but boy was I wrong.

By the way this is the same Georgia team minus an NBA 1st round pick that we beat at Athens last year.

Keep on spinning Coach, last night was the WORST MSU home loss I can remember in recent memory.

I did not read all of your post. Can't stomach ignorance. But did read fans up to "aren't happy". I'm slow to post because, until you've played for 3 different college coaches, won a championship, and then worked as a player, doing coaching camps for Dean Smith it's hard for me to expect a typical college fan to understand what I have an extraordinarily high convection for. COACH RAY KNOWS WHAT HE IS DOING! My credentials by no means should sway anybodies opinion, LOL. Just know, I did not go to or play for MSU, and I'm a fan entirely because of the coaches at state. Both Mullen and Ray. Yes I watched Sword throw a pass to the hotdog vendor. Yes, I see on a regular Basis Fred throw 3s into the first base dugout. Both sophomores. That will change and don't be surprised if we have a top 5 defense in the nation next year. I guess my main point is that MSU in the last 20 years has not had a coach that taught real basketball. Now they do and it soon will tell.
02-13-2014, 08:02 PM
Raytoraid83

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Originally Posted by BullDog

I did not read all of your post. Can't stomach ignorance. But did read fans up to "aren't happy". I'm slow to post because, until you've played for 3 different college coaches, won a championship, and then worked as a player, doing coaching camps for Dean Smith it's hard for me to expect a typical college fan to understand what I have an extraordinarily high convection for. COACH RAY KNOWS WHAT HE IS DOING! My credentials by no means should sway anybodies opinion, LOL. Just know, I did not go to or play for MSU, and I'm a fan entirely because of the coaches at state. Both Mullen and Ray. Yes I watched Sword throw a pass to the hotdog vendor. Yes, I see on a regular Basis Fred throw 3s into the first base dugout. Both sophomores. That will change and don't be surprised if we have a top 5 defense in the nation next year. I guess my main point is that MSU in the last 20 years has not had a coach that taught real basketball. Now they do and it soon will tell.

Hey Mr. Stricklin good job getting W. Carolina this weekend. Would've sucked having a weekend home series canceled.
02-13-2014, 08:02 PM
Coach34

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Originally Posted by BullDog

I guess my main point is that MSU in the last 20 years has not had a coach that taught real basketball.

Easy chief...Richard Williams was as good of a man defense coach as you will find. Now his offensive acumen wasnt extraordinary by any means- but he did a solid job when we had Darryl Wilson.

Glad to have you on board posting. We need a few more intelligent basketball posters
02-13-2014, 09:09 PM
Schultzy

Again, the man did not have enough players on the roster to conduct a live basketball scrimmage his first year. Any reasonable person should've known the first two years would be very difficult.

If he can get some scorers in here he will succeed. But it's stupid to think that we should be back to normal yet as a program.
02-13-2014, 09:58 PM
TheDogFather

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Originally Posted by Schultzy

If he can get some scorers in here he will succeed.

And this gem of a prediction is based on.....? ....all of the success he's had at other programs when he had scorers?
02-13-2014, 10:15 PM
Schultzy

Watching them play for the last two seasons. I don't base opinions on one bad game, or one good game for that matter.

The roster he inherited was not a good one, you know that. You can't fire a coach after two years that inherits the type of pathetic situation that he did.
02-13-2014, 10:44 PM
TheDogFather

Never suggested firing him. Only that we have absolutely no history to tell us he will be successful in any situation.

The Georgia game does give us a little something to base opinions on.
02-13-2014, 10:52 PM
engie

So more second year judgement thread?

This is tiring. Regardless of end result.

Let us review -- and then tell me how "this basketball situation is different"..
http://sixpackspeak.yuku.com/reply/4...m#reply-467588
http://sixpackspeak.yuku.com/reply/3...h#reply-383201
http://sixpackspeak.yuku.com/topic/2...1#.Uv2S0PldU1I
http://sixpackspeak.yuku.com/topic/8...1#.Uv2RG_ldU1I
http://sixpackspeak.yuku.com/reply/4...e#reply-475609
02-13-2014, 11:00 PM
Schultzy

The reputation our hoops program had in basketball circles around the country was far worse than those conducting the search knew going into it is what I heard. That's why we kept getting no thank you's from HC after HC during the process. That, and the dire roster situation.

You could also base it on the four SEC games he won last year (shouldn't have won any) and the few he's won this year.

State hired the coach they liked best in the interviews after they realized hardly anyone else would take a career chance on such a tough situation.

This is why all of the bitching about Ray sounds so ignorant to me.
02-13-2014, 11:09 PM
TheDogFather

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Originally Posted by Schultzy

The reputation our hoops program had in basketball circles around the country was far worse than those conducting the search knew going into it is what I heard. That's why we kept getting no thank you's from HC after HC during the process. That, and the dire roster situation.

You could also base it on the four SEC games he won last year (shouldn't have won any) and the few he's won this year.

State hired the coach they liked best in the interviews after they realized hardly anyone else would take a career chance on such a tough situation.

This is why all of the bitching about Ray sounds so ignorant to me.

Good theory anyway.

So we excuse a coach for two years with shitty players and fire a coach after two years with shitty players. Let's play Pick the Right Rick.
02-13-2014, 11:13 PM
bannedwayne

Thank god for baseball season.
02-13-2014, 11:17 PM
Coach34

No, we fired a coach for losing control of the program and making a mockery of our school. It was embarrassing

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