You are Sean Rawlings

So being a liar is ok if you are in a tough spot? Breaking a commitment is ok if your hearts not in it?

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Originally Posted by BeastMan

He didn't gain anything but we gained insight. Don't know how we could possibly complain. Me.Rawlings didn't set us up

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A LOT of this drama would have been avoided if they would've stayed off the message boards. I'm curious if he meant what he said about our coaches?

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Originally Posted by thedawg

So being a liar is ok if you are in a tough spot? Breaking a commitment is ok if your hearts not in it?

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I kind of view recruiting like getting married. You get engaged to someone when you commit but until the vows are exchanged on signing day you are free to back out. May not look good but you are free to do so.

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Originally Posted by thedawg

There is that option too... If he was so dead set on going to Ole Miss his dad almost certainly could have paid for school at Ole Miss and he could have walked on. They are paying for school at MRA. Instead they essentially used us and lied to us in order try and position themselves to get a scholarship to Ole Miss. You can package that any way you want to.... They lied...

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Wut?

He was simply an OM fan... Every single year there are recruits who love MSU and others that love OM. They grew up big fans, but they'd be absolutely crazy to not jump at the opportunity to play in the SEC. Had Rawlings never received that OM offer, he would have played his guts out for us. I have no doubts about that. In fact, he probably would have made it his mission to shove it in OM's face in the Egg Bowl...

It wasn't' about leverage... It was about playing in the SEC... He's gone now, and we will fill that spot with another player who will be absolutely thrilled with an offer.

It absolutely was about leverage. If it wasnt about leverage he would have told us when we offered, " I really appreciate it. I am interested in playing in the SEC. I am interested in you guys. Honestly I want to see what Ole Miss is going to do because that is where my heart is." Instead he said... " I am committed to sign and play for the Mississippi State Bulldogs."

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Originally Posted by thedawg

So being a liar is ok if you are in a tough spot? Breaking a commitment is ok if your hearts not in it?

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If this is your stance on recruiting then you need to quit following recruiting altogether. What about Fred Ross last year? Is he a liar in your book? What about Cory Thomas if we flip him? The list can go on and on.

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Originally Posted by thedawg

So being a liar is ok if you are in a tough spot? Breaking a commitment is ok if your hearts not in it?

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So you consider Fred Ross, Tolando Cleveland, Dillon Day, Brandon Bryant, Deion Calhoun, etc. liars?

So you consider our coaches, who offer players like Darius Liggins scholarships, liars?

So you consider yourself a liar if you don't tell your current employer you're interviewing elsewhere? This is how the game is played, and everyone, on both sides, understands the game.

Rawlings used MSU as a safety school in case OM didn't offer. That's smart on his part...we were the only SEC school to offer him. We should have played our cards better and not offered him until late - I bet OM would've never offered him if we didn't have one on the table. I don't think they trusted their own evaluations until we made the leap.

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Originally Posted by NewTweederEndzoneDance

So if you have an offer but the coaches say that if you don't take it your spot may be filled, you would just take your chances? Some of you have on such thick maroon colored glasses on this that you really just can't wrap your heads around it. Maybe the kid's dad shouldn't have posted on the msg boards, but everything he said was very complimentary so I don't really even have a problem with that either. The way the Rawlings handled this situation was fine, and has no bearing on whether they are "upstanding persons" or anything of that nature.

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That is what im saying if your dad is a lawyer and you go to mra. He can pay for you to walk on at your dream school.

Rawlings is a rare situation. You cant compare him to 98% of recruits. He comes from a family that graduated from a school, holds season tickets to a school and his dad makes good money. I cant compare myself to cj johnson. I can to rawlings and im telling you what my dad would have done.

Dont compare rawlings to bryant or koolio or any of those guys. Completely different situations.

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Originally Posted by thedawg

It absolutely was about leverage. If it wasnt about leverage he would have told us when we offered, " I really appreciate it. I am interested in playing in the SEC. I am interested in you guys. Honestly I want to see what Ole Miss is going to do because that is where my heart is." Instead he said... " I am committed to sign and play for the Mississippi State Bulldogs."

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So, again, when you accept a job, you go ahead and let your employer know you're looking elsewhere and will take another job if it's offered.

He should have told his dad to keep his damn mouth shut and stay off the message boards if he was going to follow his heart. Wish him luck but his dad is a freaking idiot. Looks like mom won the day too.

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Originally Posted by Interpolation_Dawg_EX

A LOT of this drama would have been avoided if they would've stayed off the message boards. I'm curious if he meant what he said about our coaches?

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The dad started zero drama. The only drama was that OM offered an MSU commit late in the process. How did the dad start that drama? There is a major difference in what Mr Rawlings and what Mz Terry did. Like not even close.

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Originally Posted by smootness

So you consider Fred Ross, Tolando Cleveland, Dillon Day, Brandon Bryant, Deion Calhoun, etc. liars?

So you consider our coaches, who offer players like Darius Liggins scholarships, liars?

So you consider yourself a liar if you don't tell your current employer you're interviewing elsewhere? This is how the game is played, and everyone, on both sides, understands the game.

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First I didnt say that I didnt understand the game and how it is played. In an earlier post I said I dont like how the game is played even when it benefits us. And no I dont consider myself a liar because when I go interview for a new job I tell my employer I am doing it.

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Originally Posted by thedawg

First I didnt say that I didnt understand the game and how it is played. In an earlier post I said I dont like how the game is played even when it benefits us. And no I dont consider myself a liar because when I go interview for a new job I tell my employer I am doing it.

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Then either you have a job that is unique in its job safety, or you are fond of being fired.

You also didn't answer the question that 6 people have now asked you. Do you consider our players that were once committed elsewhere to be liars?

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Originally Posted by notsofarawaydawg

He should have told his dad to keep his damn mouth shut and stay off the message boards if he was going to follow his heart. Wish him luck but his dad is a freaking idiot. Looks like mom won the day too.

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What are you talking about? His dad never once say he wouldn't go to Ole Miss if they offered.

Essentially, all of the people upset with Rawlings and/or his dad are upset because they got too emotionally attached to a life decision for a HS kid they've never met and feel like they got their hopes up and had them crushed.

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Originally Posted by smootness

So, again, when you accept a job, you go ahead and let your employer know you're looking elsewhere and will take another job if it's offered.

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Yes, if I am looking for another job I tell my employer... It has came up and happened twice in the last seven years.

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Originally Posted by NewTweederEndzoneDance

Then either you have a job that is unique in its job safety, or you are fond of being fired.

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I have never been fired in my life

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Originally Posted by The Croom Diaries

Rawlings used MSU as a safety school in case OM didn't offer. That's smart on his part...we were the only SEC school to offer him. We should have played our cards better and not offered him until late - I bet OM would've never offered him if we didn't have one on the table. I don't think they trusted their own evaluations until we made the leap.

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That's assumption based. OM passed on Rawlings. They told him no thanks. MSU liked him at camp. We offered and he took his only SEC offer. Nothing about that is weird or out of the ordinary. OM missed on a ton of higher profile OL and decided to offer him. That simple. Did his MSU offer force and OM offer as opposed to getting him to walk-on? Probably. That is completely different than maliciously using MSU for leverage which I think he or his family in no way did.

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Originally Posted by thedawg

Yes, if I am looking for another job I tell my employer... It has came up and happened twice in the last seven years.

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Ive done the same. I got a raise when I did it.

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Originally Posted by thedawg

First I didnt say that I didnt understand the game and how it is played. In an earlier post I said I dont like how the game is played even when it benefits us. And no I dont consider myself a liar because when I go interview for a new job I tell my employer I am doing it.

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Haha. I seriously doubt that. Because you know as soon as they know you're looking, they're going to try to fill your spot. But it's even different.

Tell me this...when you go for an interview, do you show the employer a list of companies and where they fall on your list? Because that's what you're asking Rawlings to do...to say, hey, please hire me...but you're not first on my list and if this other company offers, I'm gone. Because in that scenario our coaches would have gone after someone else.