Is Jans an improvement over Howland? Did we make the wrong call firing him?

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Originally Posted by Quaoarsking

"You could argue that the biggest difference in the 2 is that NIL killed off most of the mid-major programs, meaning the SEC and Big 10 could start stacking up even more NCAA Tournament bids, meaning that 8-10 was now good enough to make it under Jans when it wasn't enough under Howland."

Also, 0 .500+ SEC records vs. 3
Howland's 2019 team was a 5 seed with a top 20 NET. Jans never better than an 8 seed.
Howland probably would have gotten a 2nd NCAA bid in 2020 if it hadn't been canceled.
Howland had to rebuild from Rick Ray, while Jans inherited a competent enough program.
Jans has never been better than 8-10 in the SEC, and in Howland's last 5 years, he was never worse than 8-10.

Like I said, I think I'm still leaning toward Jans being an improvement, but you can make the case either way.

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Howland is/was a better coach. Howland in the NIL era would most likely clean up. Jans continues to trend lower.

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

You're trying to compare pre portal to post portal. Howland was an incredible HS recruiter and evaluator. INCREDIBLE. However, he had trouble ever elevating their game past where they were when they got to campus.

Q got better under Howland.
Peters was the same
Little Spoon was the same
Carter was the same
Perry was the same
Stewart is TBD because he left early
Woodard is TBD because he left early.

Howland was great at getting them in

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Howland put alot of players in the NBA...ALOT

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Originally Posted by NCMSTFAN

Howland put alot of players in the NBA...ALOT

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Not a lot here though. G League doesn’t count.

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

We were projected as the second team out in 2020. Us and Florida were going to play Thursday in what amounted to a play in game for the tournament.

In 17-18, our RPI just wasn't high enough. We didn't help ourselves by playing a crap non con schedule and getting run off the floor by the only team we played in non con with a pulse(Cincinnati). Despite that, we still had chances to easily make the tourney that year. Just win at Vandy and win at LSU. Both of those teams were TERRIBLE. We lost at the buzzer to Vandy and were blown out at LSU. We weren't making the tourney barring winning the SEC tourney.

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Not disagreeing, but I thought it came down to our conference record

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

Not a lot here though. G League doesn’t count.

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Quinndary Weatherspoon, Reggie Perry and Robert Woodard were all drafted.

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Originally Posted by NCMSTFAN

Quinndary Weatherspoon, Reggie Perry and Robert Woodard were all drafted.

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And all it takes is 1 friendly judge and all 3 of them could suit up for us again!

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Originally Posted by Quaoarsking

"You could argue that the biggest difference in the 2 is that NIL killed off most of the mid-major programs, meaning the SEC and Big 10 could start stacking up even more NCAA Tournament bids, meaning that 8-10 was now good enough to make it under Jans when it wasn't enough under Howland."

Also, 0 .500+ SEC records vs. 3
Howland's 2019 team was a 5 seed with a top 20 NET. Jans never better than an 8 seed.
Howland probably would have gotten a 2nd NCAA bid in 2020 if it hadn't been canceled.
Howland had to rebuild from Rick Ray, while Jans inherited a competent enough program.
Jans has never been better than 8-10 in the SEC, and in Howland's last 5 years, he was never worse than 8-10.

Like I said, I think I'm still leaning toward Jans being an improvement, but you can make the case either way.

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The SEC is way better right now than it was when Howland was here.

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Originally Posted by smootness

The SEC is way better right now than it was when Howland was here.

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Because everyone is paying players. Since Howland was a better recruiter and talent evaluator - it's fair to say while he would have coached worse, he would have a higher tier of player making up for it. Sometimes in basketball that's all you need.

Compare Jans records with vs without Howland recruits