As I have told you multiple times

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Originally Posted by mparkerfd20

If this doesn't wake our boosters up nothing ever will.

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Some of our boosters are too worried about what baseball team is going to tweet at them for feeding them to worry about trivial things like caring about the sport that pays for everything else on campus.

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

Hoping that NIL was a "fad" and "going away" was the dumbest thing and probably the worst thing Cohen has ever done.

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This single fact makes him the worst AD since Dudy Noble. If that was just his only real 17 up which it wasn?t.

We made our bed in 2016. We absolutely did this to ourselves when we had the chance to get it right and hire a professional for the AD spot. But in true Missippy Tate fashion we in fought and screwed each other over for influence and got a rank ass amateur. Looking backwards instead of ahead. And here we sit in our usual position of playing catch up. And lo and behold we’re still as divided and factional as ever. We will never figure out that we are Mississippi State, all of us are. We will never figure this fact out and will continue to suffer the consequences. Lafayette County and the surrounding area will continue to boom and we will continue to struggle. If any of you were actually paying attention to the real issues you would see this. But you would rather separate yourself in to one camp or another and miss all the facts. Welcome to the reality Mother 17ers.

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Originally Posted by Coursesuper

We made our bed in 2016. We absolutely did this to ourselves when we had the chance to get it right and hire a professional for the AD spot. But in true Missippy Tate fashion we in fought and screwed each other over for influence and got a rank ass amateur. Looking backwards instead of ahead. And here we sit in our usual position of playing catch up. And lo and behold we’re still as divided and factional as ever. We will never figure out that we are Mississippi State, all of us are. We will never figure this fact out and will continue to suffer the consequences. Lafayette County and the surrounding area will continue to boom and we will continue to struggle. If any of you were actually paying attention to the real issues you would see this. But you would rather separate yourself in to one camp or another and miss all the facts. Welcome to the reality Mother 17ers.

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BINGO

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Originally Posted by Coursesuper

We made our bed in 2016. We absolutely did this to ourselves when we had the chance to get it right and hire a professional for the AD spot. But in true Missippy Tate fashion we in fought and screwed each other over for influence and got a rank ass amateur. Looking backwards instead of ahead. And here we sit in our usual position of playing catch up. And lo and behold we’re still as divided and factional as ever. We will never figure out that we are Mississippi State, all of us are. We will never figure this fact out and will continue to suffer the consequences. Lafayette County and the surrounding area will continue to boom and we will continue to struggle. If any of you were actually paying attention to the real issues you would see this. But you would rather separate yourself in to one camp or another and miss all the facts. Welcome to the reality Mother 17ers.

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Well said.

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Originally Posted by Coursesuper

We made our bed in 2016. We absolutely did this to ourselves when we had the chance to get it right and hire a professional for the AD spot. But in true Missippy Tate fashion we in fought and screwed each other over for influence and got a rank ass amateur. Looking backwards instead of ahead. And here we sit in our usual position of playing catch up. And lo and behold we’re still as divided and factional as ever. We will never figure out that we are Mississippi State, all of us are. We will never figure this fact out and will continue to suffer the consequences. Lafayette County and the surrounding area will continue to boom and we will continue to struggle. If any of you were actually paying attention to the real issues you would see this. But you would rather separate yourself in to one camp or another and miss all the facts. Welcome to the reality Mother 17ers.

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The only thing we can do is fix it in the present. It sucks but that's all we can control.

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Originally Posted by Coach34

Well said.

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The truth of our situation sux. Nothing will substantially change until we un17 ourselves. Prime example is this place yesterday and today, no clue yet completely convinced by our own ignorance. I for one hold out little hope for us.

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Originally Posted by Santiago

They also don't opine for the days of the 90's and to revert back to those offenses when they are actually winning.

Hopefully we are moving forward now, and I am thankful for Selmon.

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Actually it's this thinking that hurts the fan base and program moving forward. Ole Miss will buy in lock step for a triple option guy because they believe in their brand, school and superiority and give that guy the resources to compete. In the end even if they don't care for a particular offense or defense and nitpick the actual games as we do, they put all of that BS aside to pull in one direction. That is what helps make a successful program from the fans and boosters. We were close with Jackie and Mullen. You are the same as the ones you are complaining about in the abstract with this post, btw.

Now Ole Miss has a chance to win the first football national championship in school history. Hope Miami whips their ass.

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Originally Posted by Coursesuper

We made our bed in 2016. We absolutely did this to ourselves when we had the chance to get it right and hire a professional for the AD spot. But in true Missippy Tate fashion we in fought and screwed each other over for influence and got a rank ass amateur. Looking backwards instead of ahead. And here we sit in our usual position of playing catch up. And lo and behold we’re still as divided and factional as ever. We will never figure out that we are Mississippi State, all of us are. We will never figure this fact out and will continue to suffer the consequences. Lafayette County and the surrounding area will continue to boom and we will continue to struggle. If any of you were actually paying attention to the real issues you would see this. But you would rather separate yourself in to one camp or another and miss all the facts. Welcome to the reality Mother 17ers.

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This is the reality that some would not get even if slapped in the face with it. State has always had too many different factions pulling in different directions. All Dawg fans but want things their way.

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Originally Posted by Really Clark?

Actually it's this thinking that hurts the fan base and program moving forward. Ole Miss will buy in lock step for a triple option guy because they believe in their brand, school and superiority and give that guy the resources to compete. In the end even if they don't care for a particular offense or defense and nitpick the actual games as we do, they put all of that BS aside to pull in one direction. That is what helps make a successful program from the fans and boosters. We were close with Jackie and Mullen. You are the same as the ones you are complaining about in the abstract with this post, btw.

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Part of that is because they have offenses that score a ton of points. It's hard to complain about that no matter how you do it.

Another part of it is they have always valued recruiting over scheme whereas MSU has often times been more about hiring a coaching guru like Leach to "do more with less". You can win that way but there is a ceiling there too when you do that. And Dan and Leach pretty much hit that ceiling.

When they lose a recruit they melt. MSU on the other hand- "we don't care about stars by names".

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Originally Posted by Offshore Dawg

This is the reality that some would not get even if slapped in the face with it. State has always had too many different factions pulling in different directions. All Dawg fans but want things their way.

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Yeah! "We won 75-0 but we threw the ball more than we should."

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

Part of that is because they have offenses that score a ton of points. It's hard to complain about that no matter how you do it.

Another part of it is they have always valued recruiting over scheme whereas MSU has often times been more about hiring a coaching guru like Leach to "do more with less". You can win that way but there is a ceiling there too when you do that. And Dan and Leach pretty much hit that ceiling.

When they lose a recruit they melt. MSU on the other hand- "we don't care about stars by names".

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I'll push back on Dan hitting our ceiling, Todd. He may have hit HIS ceiling, due to lazy recruiting and job shopping, but one could easily make a case he left plenty meat on the bone here. Hell, had he stayed just 1 more year, 2018 what would our perceived ceiling be now?

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

Part of that is because they have offenses that score a ton of points. It's hard to complain about that no matter how you do it.

Another part of it is they have always valued recruiting over scheme whereas MSU has often times been more about hiring a coaching guru like Leach to "do more with less". You can win that way but there is a ceiling there too when you do that. And Dan and Leach pretty much hit that ceiling.

When they lose a recruit they melt. MSU on the other hand- "we don't care about stars by names".

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Stop, step back and try to see the larger picture. The emphasis comes from the booster class first and foremost. The confederates boosters have for the most part been in line together and now they have excellent leadership and have put in place their guys to do the day to day work while backing them up financially. We on the other hand have been divided mostly along geographic lines in the past and now. But the thing they get more than anything else is they saw that football is an economic engine for the university and the local economy. They saw it as an investment and have spent accordingly, it’s not about what’s happening on the field first to make it happen it’s about being together to lay the groundwork for success. From what I can gather we are making these steps. I hope it’s not too late and we are too far behind.

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Originally Posted by Really Clark?

Actually it's this thinking that hurts the fan base and program moving forward. Ole Miss will buy in lock step for a triple option guy because they believe in their brand, school and superiority and give that guy the resources to compete. In the end even if they don't care for a particular offense or defense and nitpick the actual games as we do, they put all of that BS aside to pull in one direction. That is what helps make a successful program from the fans and boosters. We were close with Jackie and Mullen. You are the same as the ones you are complaining about in the abstract with this post, btw.

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How is that so?
Your post and mine are saying the exact same thing.

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Originally Posted by Coursesuper

Stop, step back and try to see the larger picture. The emphasis comes from the booster class first and foremost. The confederates boosters have for the most part been in line together and now they have excellent leadership and have put in place their guys to do the day to day work while backing them up financially. We on the other hand have been divided mostly along geographic lines in the past and now. But the thing they get more than anything else is they saw that football is an economic engine for the university and the local economy. They saw it as an investment and have spent accordingly, it?s not about what?s happening on the field first to make it happen it?s about being together to lay the groundwork for success. From what I can gather we are making these steps. I hope it?s not too late and we are too far behind.

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They have made it cool to give to NIL, to come back to Oxford, to pay players, etc. meanwhile we bitch about paying players or bitch about the ones who actually use their money to pay players while the ones bitching do not give. And we bitch about turn lanes on 12, what offense to run.

We still have people thinking you can win using the juco route. Our fans aren?t realistic as to what it takes and don?t care to. They just want to bitch and have champagne taste on keystone budgets. Would rather win in baseball then win in football and basketball.

Is there a way to bookmark a thread?

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Originally Posted by BankerDog

They have made it cool to give to NIL, to come back to Oxford, to pay players, etc. meanwhile we bitch about paying players or bitch about the ones who actually use their money to pay players while the ones bitching do not give. And we bitch about turn lanes on 12, what offense to run.

We still have people thinking you can win using the juco route. Our fans aren?t realistic as to what it takes and don?t care to. They just want to bitch and have champagne taste on keystone budgets. Would rather win in baseball then win in football and basketball.

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We have people who to this day still think this is all going away and it'll go back to how it was prior to July 1, 2021.

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Originally Posted by BankerDog

They have made it cool to give to NIL, to come back to Oxford, to pay players, etc. meanwhile we bitch about paying players or bitch about the ones who actually use their money to pay players while the ones bitching do not give. And we bitch about turn lanes on 12, what offense to run.

We still have people thinking you can win using the juco route. Our fans aren?t realistic as to what it takes and don?t care to. They just want to bitch and have champagne taste on keystone budgets. Would rather win in baseball then win in football and basketball.

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This sadly true.

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

We have people who to this day still think this is all going away and it'll go back to how it was prior to July 1, 2021.

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Pathetic isn’t it.