Thoughts on Arnett 2.0

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Originally Posted by Maroon Glasses

I think everything is gonna be just fine guys. I think Arnett probably learned some very valuable, hard lessons on his path back here. I try and put myself in their shoes sometimes (the ones getting criticized) and think hard on it.

Arnett was a successful DC who probably had dreams of becoming a HC one day, like we all do within our own professions. His time just come too early, and he probably knew that but took the job anyway. He probably expected help along the way, but from the stories I've heard and read is he was just used by boosters to satisfy their own egos. Their own little puppet. And once you're in bed with all that it's hard to get out. We all know the story. He failed miserably and obviously the guy cares. He ended up going down a road of destruction he probably never intended on going down. Mental issues, alcohol, and whatever else. Now he is back where it all started, back in the position he knows and thrives in.

I think the guy is going to kill it. He seems to love Starkville and he has been welcomed back. The guy knows he screwed up but he has a second chance to redeem his story. Maybe this was the hardship in life he needed. He could be more determined, motivated, and intense. This might be what he needed to take him from mid sec defenses to top sec defenses. Maybe Im just a softy or too optimistic- but I'm pulling hard for him. And I believe he is gonna kill it. Lebby knows it too.

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Ultimately what will determine his success is how many good players he can bring in. If he can he will succeed. If he can't he will not.

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Originally Posted by Brobi-wan

The fan reaction appears to be mostly positive. That?s a nice change if you pay attention to our social media engagement.

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I find it mostly positive too. The ones that are negative are just loud and stand behind it. And they have valid points to an extent.

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

Ultimately what will determine his success is how many good players he can bring in. If he can he will succeed. If he can't he will not.

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Very, very true. Nothing matters if he can't get players.

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Originally Posted by Maroon Glasses

I find it mostly positive too. The ones that are negative are just loud and stand behind it. And they have valid points to an extent.

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Personally, I think it would be good if MSU had an interview with him- could be at a news conference, could be with Charlie and Bart or Joe Rogan it doesn't matter- to hear his side of things and his journey.

If for no other reason we haven't heard it before. MSU hasn't put everything out there nor should they but we have heard some things publicly like Will Roger's Dad talking about how they were lied to but we haven't heard Arnett's side of things.

And I'm not saying everything needs to be aired out, boosters named all of that.

I think it should be things like did you really feel like you were ready to take the head coaching job when Leach passed away? Did you feel like you had the option to turn the job down and say no? If you had to do it over again what would you have done differently? What have you learned in the two years since then personally and professionally? Just keep it real candid. I don't think the guy should be tarred and feathered but just tell his side of things.

Now, I don't agree with the hire and certainly on the negative side of things. But my personal view of the reaction from fans is "hopeful that it will work out" which to me is more like fingers crossed and not really confident in it. And I think some people are viewing "hopeful" as "positive".

So, I think it would be good for MSU to put some kind of an interview out there with that because it could potentially help with those of us who feel negatively about it. To me, it seems like MSU too often wants to sweep things under the rug and "pay no attention to 2023 just look at 2020-2022" or whatever when they could probably help unify the program by being more candid at times with situations like this.

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

Personally, I think it would be good if MSU had an interview with him- could be at a news conference, could be with Charlie and Bart or Joe Rogan it doesn't matter- to hear his side of things and his journey.

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You want the play by play of what led him to go to Wendy's with no clothes on?

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

But my personal view of the reaction from fans is "hopeful that it will work out" which to me is more like fingers crossed and not really confident in it. And I think some people are viewing "hopeful" as "positive".

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I believe that is the view of virtually all fans of any program that has a new significant hire: "hopeful that it works out." Penn State, Arkansas, etc. feel the same way.

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Originally Posted by Quaoarsking

You want the play by play of what led him to go to Wendy's with no clothes on?

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Hail yeah!!!!! Now we're talking!!!!!!

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

Personally, I think it would be good if MSU had an interview with him- could be at a news conference, could be with Charlie and Bart or Joe Rogan it doesn't matter- to hear his side of things and his journey.

If for no other reason we haven't heard it before. MSU hasn't put everything out there nor should they but we have heard some things publicly like Will Roger's Dad talking about how they were lied to but we haven't heard Arnett's side of things.

And I'm not saying everything needs to be aired out, boosters named all of that.

I think it should be things like did you really feel like you were ready to take the head coaching job when Leach passed away? Did you feel like you had the option to turn the job down and say no? If you had to do it over again what would you have done differently? What have you learned in the two years since then personally and professionally? Just keep it real candid. I don't think the guy should be tarred and feathered but just tell his side of things.

Now, I don't agree with the hire and certainly on the negative side of things. But my personal view of the reaction from fans is "hopeful that it will work out" which to me is more like fingers crossed and not really confident in it. And I think some people are viewing "hopeful" as "positive".

So, I think it would be good for MSU to put some kind of an interview out there with that because it could potentially help with those of us who feel negatively about it. To me, it seems like MSU too often wants to sweep things under the rug and "pay no attention to 2023 just look at 2020-2022" or whatever when they could probably help unify the program by being more candid at times with situations like this.

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While this would be great for us extreme fans on this board, overall I think it would bring a lot of attention to something the university would prefer we all move on from

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

Personally, I think it would be good if MSU had an interview with him- could be at a news conference, could be with Charlie and Bart or Joe Rogan it doesn't matter- to hear his side of things and his journey.

If for no other reason we haven't heard it before. MSU hasn't put everything out there nor should they but we have heard some things publicly like Will Roger's Dad talking about how they were lied to but we haven't heard Arnett's side of things.

And I'm not saying everything needs to be aired out, boosters named all of that.

I think it should be things like did you really feel like you were ready to take the head coaching job when Leach passed away? Did you feel like you had the option to turn the job down and say no? If you had to do it over again what would you have done differently? What have you learned in the two years since then personally and professionally? Just keep it real candid. I don't think the guy should be tarred and feathered but just tell his side of things.

Now, I don't agree with the hire and certainly on the negative side of things. But my personal view of the reaction from fans is "hopeful that it will work out" which to me is more like fingers crossed and not really confident in it. And I think some people are viewing "hopeful" as "positive".

So, I think it would be good for MSU to put some kind of an interview out there with that because it could potentially help with those of us who feel negatively about it. To me, it seems like MSU too often wants to sweep things under the rug and "pay no attention to 2023 just look at 2020-2022" or whatever when they could probably help unify the program by being more candid at times with situations like this.

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In theory it's a great idea. But there's two outcomes of that happening and neither are good.

1. Arnett admits he was in over his head, listened to the wrong people, and overall lost control of the situation. That makes Mississippi State look bad for hiring him, our boostership look like Auburn or Florida, and brings back up issues people had in 2023.

2. Arnett acts defiant and doubles down on his decisions. This causes the Air Raid cult to go back after Arnett and continues to divide an already fractured fanbase.

Like I said, in theory it is a good idea and it would give answers to a lot of things that happened in his 10 months as HC. But you're appeasing 10% of the fanbase and pulling the curtain back and letting the rest of college football see how unorganized we were. That lets other coaches negatively recruit against you because they'll use the Arnett stuff against us.

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

Personally, I think it would be good if MSU had an interview with him- could be at a news conference, could be with Charlie and Bart or Joe Rogan it doesn't matter- to hear his side of things and his journey.

If for no other reason we haven't heard it before. MSU hasn't put everything out there nor should they but we have heard some things publicly like Will Roger's Dad talking about how they were lied to but we haven't heard Arnett's side of things.

And I'm not saying everything needs to be aired out, boosters named all of that.

I think it should be things like did you really feel like you were ready to take the head coaching job when Leach passed away? Did you feel like you had the option to turn the job down and say no? If you had to do it over again what would you have done differently? What have you learned in the two years since then personally and professionally? Just keep it real candid. I don't think the guy should be tarred and feathered but just tell his side of things.

Now, I don't agree with the hire and certainly on the negative side of things. But my personal view of the reaction from fans is "hopeful that it will work out" which to me is more like fingers crossed and not really confident in it. And I think some people are viewing "hopeful" as "positive".

So, I think it would be good for MSU to put some kind of an interview out there with that because it could potentially help with those of us who feel negatively about it. To me, it seems like MSU too often wants to sweep things under the rug and "pay no attention to 2023 just look at 2020-2022" or whatever when they could probably help unify the program by being more candid at times with situations like this.

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I think he should come in, say suck it bitches, I'm back!! Gator don't play no shit! Mic drop and do the DX suck it thrust right into the camera. Walk off stage taking no questions.***

do we need a good DC--hell yes-so we get Arnett-a proven DC. that problem for Lebby is over. We will Know how to Blitz again. Now Lebby needs a clock management coach and a special team Coach.

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Originally Posted by tcdog70

do we need a good DC--hell yes-so we get Arnett-a proven DC. that problem for Lebby is over. We will Know how to Blitz again. Now Lebby needs a clock management coach and a special team Coach.

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He needs an OC is what he needs so he can focus on stuff like clock management. But he also needs a special teams coach too.

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Originally Posted by Really Clark?

I think he should come in, say suck it bitches, I'm back!! Gator don't play no shit! Mic drop and do the DX suck it thrust right into the camera. Walk off stage taking no questions.***

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This one made me laugh out loud, especially the Gator reference! ...underrated movie

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Originally Posted by Really Clark?

I think he should come in, say suck it bitches, I'm back!! Gator don't play no shit! Mic drop and do the DX suck it thrust right into the camera. Walk off stage taking no questions.***

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Honestly I'd respect the hell out of him. He tried to make the program his own. If he owned it I would probably say he grew as a coach.


Also "Gator don't play no shit" would be incredible. A great reference.

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Originally Posted by Really Clark?

I think he should come in, say suck it bitches, I'm back!! Gator don't play no shit! Mic drop and do the DX suck it thrust right into the camera. Walk off stage taking no questions.***

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Best post in this tread!

I think he should have to explain why he not only didn't pursue any coach that ran any version of the Air Raid offense, but also why he lied to the players about keeping the offense the same.

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Originally Posted by KB21

I think he should have to explain why he not only didn't pursue any coach that ran any version of the Air Raid offense, but also why he lied to the players about keeping the offense the same.

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But what good does that do? How does that best serve Mississippi State moving forward? It doesn't. It's so the Air Raid cult can have some weird satisfaction that they were correct, even though firing him 10 games in should've been satisfaction enough. I mean what is him doing that going to accomplish? Nothing. And maybe that's what you're wanting. You're wanting him fired so you want him to come up and say some stuff that'll get everyone fired up so he'll be fired. He doesn't have to acknowledge his mistakes. He paid for them with his job.

It's water under the bridge at this point. If we didn't suck in 23, we were going to suck in 24. Leach's recruiting was a ticking time bomb. As long as he was coaching, the timer kept getting reset. The minute he stopped we knew we were on the clock for a rebuild. And we all acknowledged it when he was hired and multiple times after.

Looking at this tread now and all this Air Raid bullshit coming back around reminds me of the most important things I really learned from college. Who not to be my Lawyer and who not to be my doctor.

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

But what good does that do? How does that best serve Mississippi State moving forward? It doesn't. It's so the Air Raid cult can have some weird satisfaction that they were correct, even though firing him 10 games in should've been satisfaction enough. I mean what is him doing that going to accomplish? Nothing. And maybe that's what you're wanting. You're wanting him fired so you want him to come up and say some stuff that'll get everyone fired up so he'll be fired. He doesn't have to acknowledge his mistakes. He paid for them with his job.

It's water under the bridge at this point. If we didn't suck in 23, we were going to suck in 24. Leach's recruiting was a ticking time bomb. As long as he was coaching, the timer kept getting reset. The minute he stopped we knew we were on the clock for a rebuild. And we all acknowledged it when he was hired and multiple times after.

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The fact that he is being brought back to the program he destroyed, he should have to acknowledge it.

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Originally Posted by Really Clark?

I think he should come in, say suck it bitches, I'm back!! Gator don't play no shit! Mic drop and do the DX suck it thrust right into the camera. Walk off stage taking no questions.***

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Nice guy!