It's Time for MSU to get serious about Football

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11-28-2025, 09:19 PM
Bothrops

We aren't about to invest 30-35 million for 2026. Lol
11-28-2025, 09:33 PM
Rawdawg

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Originally Posted by Bothrops

We aren't about to invest 30-35 million for 2026. Lol

We?re not but we should if we can. Look at the investment Ole Miss has made into football and how much their entire athletic department has benefited from it.
11-28-2025, 10:47 PM
Maroon Glasses

With help of Google and AI.. fan donations only make up 2-4% of NIL value. It also goes on to explain that while it is helpful and generous (lol), fan donations really don't move the needle with NIL.

What does move the needle are boosters and commercial companies that account for almost 20% with the rest coming from rev share.

If you can give as a fan.. that's great. Every penny helps. But if we are truly lacking in NIL then the issue isn't fans that work every day and just want to enjoy a win on a Saturday. If our boosters give all they can and our administration has tapped into every resource possible to get commercial NIL then we are just shit out of luck. But I doubt that's the case.
11-28-2025, 11:49 PM
Turfdawg67

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Originally Posted by AROB44

Todd.....you are always saying it's time for MSU to get serious about football, but you never mention the fans. Fans have to be invested and that means $$$$. But reading this message board, too many people are saying they aren't going to put money in or say they can't afford to. Without more money, we will constantly be firing coaches hoping the next one can win with inferior talent. This attitude of win and then I'll support them is just ass backwards. This team finished right where most thought they would. Vastly improved, but out manned by most teams on our schedule.

A lot of OM fans were "fed up" with LK after '22 (go read NAFOOM). Did they "rally" around, sing Kumbaya by a campfire, hold hands and turn things around?!? No, the rich boosters dumped more money for coaches and players and they, along with a nice stretch of favorable schedules, have them where they are. Give us a couple, or hell, one, good winning season and we'll get together and stop bitching too.

ETA... unless, of course, we win 9 games in an unorthodox/unlike MSU's "RTGDF" manner, and some fans will still bitch.
11-28-2025, 11:58 PM
Turfdawg67

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Originally Posted by Maroon Glasses

With help of Google and AI.. fan donations only make up 2-4% of NIL value. It also goes on to explain that while it is helpful and generous (lol), fan donations really don't move the needle with NIL.

What does move the needle are boosters and commercial companies that account for almost 20% with the rest coming from rev share.

If you can give as a fan.. that's great. Every penny helps. But if we are truly lacking in NIL then the issue isn't fans that work every day and just want to enjoy a win on a Saturday. If our boosters give all they can and our administration has tapped into every resource possible to get commercial NIL then we are just shit out of luck. But I doubt that's the case.

Exactly... this BS that a microcosm, i.e. a message board, that has differing views, means we aren't pulling in the same direction as a university, is absurd.
11-29-2025, 12:10 AM
Maroon Glasses

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Originally Posted by Turfdawg67

Exactly... this BS that a microcosm, i.e. a message board, that has differing views, means we aren't pulling in the same direction as a university, is absurd.

Yeah it is. We as fans all have the same goal. Ultimately tho, we are under the thumb of the powers at be. We are at the bottom of the pyramid scheme.

I don't think our diffent view points and opinions mean we are pulling in opposite directions. I don't know how all this ends up falling at the feet of us.
11-29-2025, 09:23 AM
Maroonthirteen

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Originally Posted by Maroon Glasses

With help of Google and AI.. fan donations only make up 2-4% of NIL value. It also goes on to explain that while it is helpful and generous (lol), fan donations really don't move the needle with NIL.

What does move the needle are boosters and commercial companies that account for almost 20% with the rest coming from rev share.

If you can give as a fan.. that's great. Every penny helps. But if we are truly lacking in NIL then the issue isn't fans that work every day and just want to enjoy a win on a Saturday. If our boosters give all they can and our administration has tapped into every resource possible to get commercial NIL then we are just shit out of luck. But I doubt that's the case.

Your first paragraphs are on the money. States Achilles heal is being in a rural area with little commerce relative to our sec peers. You need many businesses making 50k-100k donations per year. The rank and file could pitch in a few million as a whole. However anytime I travel and see state fans. The conversation is usually "I have not been to campus in years". The alumni could do better, much better. There is some room for growth there.

However I am afraid the big boosters and those of us that care are trying. I think it is obvious by the recruiting and portal signees for football and basketball they past two years.... we are maxed out. Watching that game yesterday and many other sec games, it feels helpless because we are so behind in talent and size. S-O-L.
11-29-2025, 09:54 AM
SaintDawg

LOL? It?s time to get serious about MSU football. Do you really, really mean it this time?
11-29-2025, 10:24 AM
maroonmania

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Originally Posted by TrapGame

If are not investing at least $25mil on a roster then can forget about being competitive.

Well, bottom line may be that we can't be competitive until someone puts a reasonable 'salary cap' on schools. Asking fans and boosters to pony up that kind of money EVERY year is ridiculous for us and a lot of schools. Unless you have oil millionaires and such as boosters who are into football that is not easy money to obtain. Ridiculous that a lot of college players are making more than a significant % of NFL players make.
11-29-2025, 12:27 PM
THE Bruce Dickinson

It all started a few years ago when the supreme court ruling came out about players being paid.

Our fans in very large numbers rejected the idea and thought nothing was going to change.

Ole Miss saw the opportunity and pounced on it. You can see the difference now very clearly.

Our fans in general just don't like football. They like winning and will cling to any program that does so... See Baseball, Women's Basketball etc.

We had a capacity crowd show up to an alumni baseball game 3 weeks ago. We wouldn't even come close to that kind of draw if there was some kind of alumni football event. Not even close.

In 5 years there won't be a SEC or a BIG 10. There will be one super conference, and the old style thinking that our charter membership of the SEC will get us a spot is not going to fly. We have to get more competitive at football right now. No more dragging feet. Because if we don't, our precious baseball team will be the annual preseason favorite in the Sun Belt, and our fans will be beating their chest about sweeping South Alabama in a weekend series in April. That's the reality and we have to move fast.
11-29-2025, 12:30 PM
Coursesuper

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Originally Posted by THE Bruce Dickinson

It all started a few years ago when the supreme court ruling came out about players being paid.

Our fans in very large numbers rejected the idea and thought nothing was going to change.

Ole Miss saw the opportunity and pounced on it. You can see the difference now very clearly.

Our fans in general just don't like football. They like winning and will cling to any program that does so... See Baseball, Women's Basketball etc.

We had a capacity crowd show up to an alumni baseball game 3 weeks ago. We wouldn't even come close to that kind of draw if there was some kind of alumni football event. Not even close.

In 5 years there won't be a SEC or a BIG 10. There will be one super conference, and the old style thinking that our charter membership of the SEC will get us a spot is not going to fly. We have to get more competitive at football right now. No more dragging feet. Because if we don't, our precious baseball team will be the annual preseason favorite in the Sun Belt, and our fans will be beating their chest about sweeping South Alabama in a weekend series in April. That's the reality and we have to move fast.

This is completely correct.
11-29-2025, 12:32 PM
Coursesuper

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Originally Posted by maroonmania

Well, bottom line may be that we can't be competitive until someone puts a reasonable 'salary cap' on schools. Asking fans and boosters to pony up that kind of money EVERY year is ridiculous for us and a lot of schools. Unless you have oil millionaires and such as boosters who are into football that is not easy money to obtain. Ridiculous that a lot of college players are making more than a significant % of NFL players make.

Why do so many not ask why? Stop and use your brain housing group. Who wants things to be like this? Who profits?
11-29-2025, 08:26 PM
BuckyIsAB****

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Originally Posted by Quaoarsking

Last year - losing to Toledo at all was unacceptable. Losing in the dominating, humiliating fashion we did was a total disgrace. I would have also liked to be competitive in at least 1 SEC game, but I could have gotten past that if things had been better this year.

This year - beating Arizona State was good. Choking away the Tennessee game was frustrating, but it sure looked like progress. But after that, there's really not much to be happy about. We should have never lost to a 3-9 Florida team, period, and really shouldn't have been close, but we did, and it's largely because of Lebby's baffling playcalling decisions. Texas isn't a bad loss on paper, but Arch has been overrated all year, and we led by 17 with 10 minutes to go and kept snapping with 20 seconds on the clock. It was good to beat Arkansas, but come on, we were very lucky to beat a 2-10 team thanks to them getting nearly 200 penalty yards. It shouldn't have been close. And then 3 straight uncompetitive blowouts.

I'm just not seeing any reason to be optimistic about next year, especially how the season got worse and worse as it went on. Before the season, I might have said that 5-7 wouldn't be terrible, but that was before I knew that 6 of our 9 P4 opponents would be significantly worse than their preseason expectation, 2 of them much, much worse.

No its your fault cause you didn?t donate your salary

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