If Lebby fails nexts season, should we look at what byu and Utah do?

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11-21-2025, 11:20 AM
StarkVegasSteve

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Originally Posted by Cowbeller

Eh I think the opposite might play out. These guys have to pay buyouts and crazy new coach contracts that will have to pull away from it. Not saying average fans wont step up but the big money will be tied elsewhere.

Most programs have basically slush funds for hiring/firing coaches.
11-21-2025, 11:23 AM
Cowbeller

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

Most programs have basically slush funds for hiring/firing coaches.

If the LSU saga is any indication their slush funds arent keeping up with the actual dollars
11-21-2025, 11:24 AM
Coach34

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Originally Posted by Cowbeller

Eh I think the opposite might play out. These guys have to pay buyouts and crazy new coach contracts that will have to pull away from it. Not saying average fans wont step up but the big money will be tied elsewhere.

LSU has promised Lame a $30MM roster
11-21-2025, 11:25 AM
Coursesuper

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Originally Posted by Cowbeller

If the LSU saga is any indication their slush funds arent keeping up with the actual dollars

They have a nearly bottomless pit of chicken fingers for hiring and firing coaches.
11-21-2025, 11:25 AM
shoeless joe

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Originally Posted by Coach34

If Lebby fails it will because we didnt have the money to sign enough players on D. Next year's offense has the potential to be the best we've had since 2014/2015 and possibly ever

i don't disagree with anything here. but how much money on D and how good will the offense have to be to overcome the in-game non sense?
11-21-2025, 11:29 AM
msstate7

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Originally Posted by Coach34

LSU has promised Lame a $30MM roster

Imagine how pissed a tommie Frazier is today watching NIL era. Guys like Frazier that never sniffed an nfl deal, but coulda been set for life in this era
11-21-2025, 11:40 AM
StarkVegasSteve

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Originally Posted by msstate7

Imagine how pissed a tommie Frazier is today watching NIL era. Guys like Frazier that never sniffed an nfl deal, but coulda been set for life in this era

I think of 3 players in my lifetime of really watching football that would've taken paycuts to go to the NFL.

1. Cam Newton-This one is obvious but his NIL deal would've been 6-8 million and they probably would've renegotiated him closer to 10-12 by the end of the season.

2. Johnny Manziel- I don't even know what the NIL deal would've been in 2013 and I feel sure he would've come back in 14 for 20+ mil.

3. Reggie Bush- Granted he kind of got an NIL deal but he could've been pushing 8 figures easily with NIL.
11-21-2025, 11:53 AM
Coach34

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Originally Posted by msstate7

Imagine how pissed a tommie Frazier is today watching NIL era. Guys like Frazier that never sniffed an nfl deal, but coulda been set for life in this era

Think of the players that would have been stolen away from us thru the years
11-21-2025, 11:55 AM
msstate7

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Originally Posted by Coach34

Think of the players that would have been stolen away from us thru the years

No way we hold dak his senior year
11-21-2025, 12:15 PM
Tater

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Originally Posted by Really Clark?

Not to pick on you but there is no such thing as obvious rising star. Several guys people thought were the hot rising stars when we hired Lebby and stumped for them, are now cold 2 years later.

I was closer to OU than most here so I didn't see Lebby as a good hire or rising star.

I've stumped for Marion for a while. UNLV was so good at OC. Look at his resume and the players he's coached. Rising stars can flame out - but man I just love what he's got going for him. He better get a look if we're moving on next year.
11-21-2025, 12:52 PM
Coursesuper

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Originally Posted by Tater

I was closer to OU than most here so I didn't see Lebby as a good hire or rising star.

I've stumped for Marion for a while. UNLV was so good at OC. Look at his resume and the players he's coached. Rising stars can flame out - but man I just love what he's got going for him. He better get a look if we're moving on next year.

Tate, can you summarize the go go offense for me? I’m not that familiar with it.
11-21-2025, 01:09 PM
Coach34

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Originally Posted by Coursesuper

Tate, can you summarize the go go offense for me? I’m not that familiar with it.

https://throwdeeppublishing.com/blog...nt-seen-before
11-21-2025, 01:12 PM
Brobi-wan

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Originally Posted by Coursesuper

Tate, can you summarize the go go offense for me? I’m not that familiar with it.

This was a great name for an offense based in Vegas .
11-21-2025, 01:16 PM
msstate7

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Originally Posted by Coach34

https://throwdeeppublishing.com/blog...nt-seen-before

Nice. This is exactly the type of stuff we need to be looking for if Lebby flames out.
11-21-2025, 01:35 PM
Todd4State

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Originally Posted by msstate7

Nice. This is exactly the type of stuff we need to be looking for if Lebby flames out.

Offense isn't our problem right now. Our main problem is defense and special teams which is what we are historically better at than offense.
11-21-2025, 01:43 PM
Coursesuper

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Originally Posted by Coach34

https://throwdeeppublishing.com/blog...nt-seen-before

Okay, after reading that, this isn’t some new groundbreaking football voodoo, it’s just making the defense line up and ID the ineligible guy. That’s just a wrinkle if I read that correctly.
11-21-2025, 02:06 PM
Tater

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Originally Posted by Coursesuper

Okay, after reading that, this isn’t some new groundbreaking football voodoo, it’s just making the defense line up and ID the ineligible guy. That’s just a wrinkle if I read that correctly.

That's one wrinkle listed in the article. The other that it doesn't emphasize as well is the stacking of running backs both horizontal and vertical next to a QB in shotgun. That's something I hadn't seen anyone doing before. I love the youthful innovation there.

On top of that - looking at who he's coached - he's considered an ace recruiter.

https://www.footballscoop.com/2025/0...ranked-recruit

Jordan Addison is a big name. The biggest knock is the dude does not stay in one place long at all. Which - good problem to have a guy in demand. I'd trade our situation for OM's today right now. But he's just too successful everywhere he goes that I see him only going upward.

ETA: It's power spread but with fun wrinkles and high recruiting ceiling. He reminds me a lot Dan Mullen in 2008. (Also a guy from Pennsylvania) Except instead of going G5 OC to P5 OC to State HC, Marion is on the P5 assistant to G5 OC to FCS HC to ??? ascension. If Sac State does well next year again - I expect him to be at least a G5 coach if not busting directly into the P4.
11-21-2025, 03:22 PM
DownwardDawg

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Originally Posted by msstate7

As teams are getting lighter and lighter on defense to deal with spread offenses, Utah and byu are playing power football. Both are ranked teams.

I have no idea if this would work in the sec, but I think we have to try to figure out how to stay ahead of the curve. Trying to do what other teams with better funding do isn't really a path to success. So whether it's power football or something else, we have to try and find a way to neutralize our disadvantages.

Let's just hope Lebby doesn't fail, and this ain't an issue.

I don't post near as much as you do 7, but I believe I've mentioned the same thing here a few times in the past. I talk about it a lot at work. Defenses today wouldn't be able to stop an old school smash mouth running game. Like a JWS team or one of the past Alabama teams. A dual threat QB, big bruising RB's, and a big O-line would run for 8 yards or more per carry.

Now to Taters point, Leach would have us in the playoffs already. He had adapted enough to know when to run then get back to his air raid. Sawyer would have been awesome in his offense. He hated recruiting so NIL would have made his job easier.
11-21-2025, 03:38 PM
Tater

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Originally Posted by DownwardDawg

I don't post near as much as you do 7, but I believe I've mentioned the same thing here a few times in the past. I talk about it a lot at work. Defenses today wouldn't be able to stop an old school smash mouth running game. Like a JWS team or one of the past Alabama teams. A dual threat QB, big bruising RB's, and a big O-line would run for 8 yards or more per carry.

Now to Taters point, Leach would have us in the playoffs already. He had adapted enough to know when to run then get back to his air raid. Sawyer would have been awesome in his offense. He hated recruiting so NIL would have made his job easier.

That bold last point is why I'm good with a Dan reunion and think Mullenv2 will work.

And I agree with you but I take it a step further. The tush push offense - I could get banned in a year - maybe less. Against defenses these days - give me 11 400+ lb sumo wrestlers pushing in unison. You are not stopping me from getting 10 yards across 4 plays. You don't have the size to stop it. Hell we probably just push down the field for a TD every play. It'd be a glorious season and then immediately banned because the product would be awful to watch, but there's no ****ing stopping us.
11-21-2025, 05:18 PM
Percho

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Originally Posted by Tater

The answer was Leach with a mobile QB. Sawyer Robertson would have us in the playoffs last year / this year.

I'd love Brennan Marion. Had a really solid first year at Sacramento State. Only one "wtf" loss. Played an FBS team close. Played a top 5 FCS team close. First game got smacked by a different top 5 FCS team.

It's early in his trajectory but him and his "Go-Go" offense with two backs set in different spots is unique enough to cause fits. By 2030 he'll have a major head coaching job or be the hottest name on every search board. He's gonna take his lumps right now - would be awesome to get a guy so obvious a rising star like that.

I could have lived with an Odom Marion hire when we hired Lebby.

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