Our NIL donors did their part. Lebby let them down.

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Originally Posted by Quaoarsking

The pro-Lebby crowd will tell you that we're just "poor ol' Mississippi State" and we are never going to be able to compete with the big boys. That we should be happy just to keep it close with Florida and Texas because we are capable or deserving of beating them.

In the real world, we had the roster and the talent to beat both of them, and it was Lebby who stopped it. A "replacement level" coach wins both of those games. I've already identified 16 successful head coaches who would probably take our job, so the "poor ol' Mississippi State can never expect to hire a better coach than Lebby" argument is out the window.

With a competent "replacement level" coach we are 6-2 and looking at a ranked finish. With a good coach (like one that we'll be able to hire in a few weeks) we could be 7-1, and we'd right there with our former peers Ole Miss and Vanderbilt and talking about the playoffs.

Don't let the #NoWeCan't Lebby fanboys gaslight you into thinking we can't do better than a coach who is 2 wins below the level of our talent.

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Nope. In the REAL world Tx has what.. 20 5 star players and 40 plus 4 stars? That's reality.

We have the smallest NIL budget in the SEC and you want top 10 results for that. I hate the world of college football due to this crap, but if we are going to have a team, then you have 2 options. Accept the results and always know we are not going to win. OR demand we put more money into recruiting. Coaching is not going to make up for a gassed Defense in the 4th. Coaching isn't going to make up for the lack of talent in part of the DBs. Coaching isn't going to make up for a young OL not picking up blocks.

The only answer is spend it to win it or just accept what we are going to be without it.

I've never said I "want top 10 results." I want a coach who doesn't make stupid coaching mistakes that cause us to lose. 9 days ago, I was fine with Lebby, but now he's burned us twice.

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Originally Posted by Coursesuper

Delta alumnus at the time. I happen to have had the privilege of knowing a man that was with coach McKeen when that all happened. These fellas were all sitting together and a guy came in and said Coach, Coach Noble wants to see you. McKeen was like what the hell now. So he walks in the office and there sit Noble and a couple of delta alumni, Noble demands that McKeen switch offenses to the T formation right now. McKeen says I don?t have the personnel yet but I will in a year, that gives us time to install and work out the kinks for the following season. Noble said nope now and fired him. This is exactly the kind of behavior that we must avoid. Those that don?t know and study history are doomed to repeat it.

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That sounds familiar.

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Originally Posted by BlackSailsDawg

Coaching is not going to make up for a gassed Defense in the 4th.

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Yea, it can. Get some first downs.

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Originally Posted by Quaoarsking

I've never said I "want top 10 results." I want a coach who doesn't make stupid coaching mistakes that cause us to lose. 9 days ago, I was fine with Lebby, but now he's burned us twice.

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Yep.

Okay…so we fire Lebby. Who are you hiring to fire year after next?

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Originally Posted by Quaoarsking

I've never said I "want top 10 results." I want a coach who doesn't make stupid coaching mistakes that cause us to lose. 9 days ago, I was fine with Lebby, but now he's burned us twice.

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And look- no one is saying we can't. I don't know where you came up with that. Most of us that want to be patient are saying let's invest more money in football and get better players because look at the progress we have made. And many like me have advocated getting an assistant head coach to help Lebby with decision making. None of that is unreasonable or unrealistic.

If we got a new coach it's going to cost MSU buyout money- I don't know what Lebby's is but let's say it's a million. I believe it's probably more but that's besides the point. Then we have to get a new coach and I'm sure whoever we get is going to get paid 3 million +. But let's say it's 3. Then buying out assistants and bringing in new assistants that's probably another 2 million for all of that.

So low ball number were at 6 million dollars. I personally would much rather see us invest that in NIL and an assistant head coach which would be a small part of that and that in and of itself would get us to 20+ million dollars. That 5 million could buy us 2 more offensive linemen and defensive linemen that could have made the difference in the game last night and in the other games.

MSU fans focus way too much on the head coach and scheme and not enough on the players on the team. We give our coach a roster with less talent and then get pissed off when it doesn't work. That's the problem.

And yeah- if we do the above and it's year 3 and Lebby still can't win by all means fire him. But if that happens at least we have a 20 million dollar NIL budget we can sell and have shown reasonable patience.

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Originally Posted by Quaoarsking

The thinking behind this was that Lebby would be a competent coach, but it just wouldn't be enough to overcome the talent gap. That's NOT what is actually playing out at all. The talent is actually good enough, despite the NIL gap, and Lebby is personally costing us wins with his incompetence.

It's OK that we didn't see this coming. We just have to stop being in denial about it and do what we need to do for the program. Lebby is never going to be the guy to make the playoffs here, or even be in the mix for them in November. He just doesn't have it. Rich programs can accumulate enough talent to overcome a mediocre coach, but we can't.

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How did you determine it's the talent that is so good, and not the coaching of lesser talent? Lebby no doubt screwed us out of the past 2 wins, but he also seems to be Mullen-esque in identifying talent and squeezing a ton out of it.

If we fire Lebby, we start all over again next year. Gutted roster, new coach that was our 4th option, 3 wins. Why do that when he is showing massive improvement YoY? The mistakes he's made we just have to accept as growing pain, and that's what comes with being an MSU fan and we need to hire first time HCs instead of poaching from others. It's gonna take a minute.

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Originally Posted by Quaoarsking

I've never said I "want top 10 results." I want a coach who doesn't make stupid coaching mistakes that cause us to lose. 9 days ago, I was fine with Lebby, but now he's burned us twice.

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Name the play yesterday that cost us the game. We were up 17. What caused the loss. It can not be 1 play. So list them.

You want Lane Kiffin? He screwed up twice yesterday.... majorly. On the road against a ranked SEC team. Want one like him? Maybe one like Kelly who has a great roster but can't get it done. Maybe you want Lea.... He's done great right. But he didn't his first 4 years. In his first 3 he only won 2 sec games. BUT MONEY... MONEY came in and they purchased players. How much? Well, Nashville media stated he turned down 4 million to leave.

Not to mention, you fire Lebby and we will have fired 2 coaches every 1.5 years. Zero stability in that. We will lose part of the roster, especially the productive WRs and RBs. Then you spend what?? 15 million to buy the staff out? Then you have to find a coach and he has to start all the way bck over with a depleted roster.

There is zero logic to getting rid of a coach that has this roster competing against teams that spent 3 to 5 times as us. Take the 15 million in buy out and buy 4 Million dollar OL and 4 500K OL. Do the same on defense. Bring in 2, ready to play QBs.... Try to be competitive in spending because that's the only way we are going to get results. We are in the SEC. It's crazy in this era to think just a good coach will win with what we have.

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Originally Posted by gtowndawg

Yea, it can. Get some first downs.

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You don't think the OL gets tired? Have you seen our rotation? They allowed 4 sacks in the 4th and OT. 4. They did a horrible job run blocking in the 4th.

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

And look- no one is saying we can't. I don't know where you came up with that. Most of us that want to be patient are saying let's invest more money in football and get better players because look at the progress we have made. And many like me have advocated getting an assistant head coach to help Lebby with decision making. None of that is unreasonable or unrealistic.

If we got a new coach it's going to cost MSU buyout money- I don't know what Lebby's is but let's say it's a million. I believe it's probably more but that's besides the point. Then we have to get a new coach and I'm sure whoever we get is going to get paid 3 million +. But let's say it's 3. Then buying out assistants and bringing in new assistants that's probably another 2 million for all of that.

So low ball number were at 6 million dollars. I personally would much rather see us invest that in NIL and an assistant head coach which would be a small part of that and that in and of itself would get us to 20+ million dollars. That 5 million could buy us 2 more offensive linemen and defensive linemen that could have made the difference in the game last night and in the other games.

MSU fans focus way too much on the head coach and scheme and not enough on the players on the team. We give our coach a roster with less talent and then get pissed off when it doesn't work. That's the problem.

And yeah- if we do the above and it's year 3 and Lebby still can't win by all means fire him. But if that happens at least we have a 20 million dollar NIL budget we can sell and have shown reasonable patience.

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This is the way

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

And look- no one is saying we can't. I don't know where you came up with that. Most of us that want to be patient are saying let's invest more money in football and get better players because look at the progress we have made. And many like me have advocated getting an assistant head coach to help Lebby with decision making. None of that is unreasonable or unrealistic.

If we got a new coach it's going to cost MSU buyout money- I don't know what Lebby's is but let's say it's a million. I believe it's probably more but that's besides the point. Then we have to get a new coach and I'm sure whoever we get is going to get paid 3 million +. But let's say it's 3. Then buying out assistants and bringing in new assistants that's probably another 2 million for all of that.

So low ball number were at 6 million dollars. I personally would much rather see us invest that in NIL and an assistant head coach which would be a small part of that and that in and of itself would get us to 20+ million dollars. That 5 million could buy us 2 more offensive linemen and defensive linemen that could have made the difference in the game last night and in the other games.

MSU fans focus way too much on the head coach and scheme and not enough on the players on the team. We give our coach a roster with less talent and then get pissed off when it doesn't work. That's the problem.

And yeah- if we do the above and it's year 3 and Lebby still can't win by all means fire him. But if that happens at least we have a 20 million dollar NIL budget we can sell and have shown reasonable patience.

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I'd rather spend extra money on a competent coach. Who is going to give to the NIL fund when we have a coach who is just going to squander it? Every single person who donated this year wasted their money. I can't imagine that our total NIL amount is going to be any higher in 2026 than it was in 2025, but maybe it would be with a new coach we could feel more confident in. Even if not, I'd rather find a guy who can do more with less, than Lebby who does less with less.

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Originally Posted by Brobi-wan

Okay…so we fire Lebby. Who are you hiring to fire year after next?

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Jesus Christ, I have a thread on this with 16 names that I believe would be upgrades from Lebby and that we could plausibly get.

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Originally Posted by BlackSailsDawg

Name the play yesterday that cost us the game. We were up 17. What caused the loss. It can not be 1 play. So list them.

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It was one of 3 plays take your pick

Dumbass number 6 with his late hit on Arch and I truly believe this is the biggest and the reason for the loss.

Then the other two would be deciding to punt the ball to 21 rather than punt it out of bounds and then the dumbass penalty on the early field goal that led to a touchdown

But number 6 and his dumbass penalty is the biggest to me

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Originally Posted by Quaoarsking

I'd rather spend extra money on a competent coach. Who is going to give to the NIL fund when we have a coach who is just going to squander it? Every single person who donated this year wasted their money. I can't imagine that our total NIL amount is going to be any higher in 2026 than it was in 2025, but maybe it would be with a new coach we could feel more confident in. Even if not, I'd rather find a guy who can do more with less, than Lebby who does less with less.

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Tell you what, you and Mrsstate7 form yall an LLC, use the baseball model and raise the 30 to 50 million it will take to turn all this over. Then like baseball, use your unique ability and contacts and run a very deep and private search, and put together the next staff and NIL. I?m sure with all the connections you have you can get up with the AD and make it happen. Just in case you need directions, the ADs office is on the top floor south end of the Bryan building. And the Presidents office is on the top floor east end of Lee Hall. You might want to drop Sid an email before you show up for that one. You seem to have this one all figured out. We will all just sit back grab a bourbon and spectate.
I have no doubt that one way or the other it will end spectacularly.

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

That sounds familiar.

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Amazing is it not. Never learn from past mistakes. Hubris and arrogance prevail.

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Originally Posted by Charlie_Sheen420

It was one of 3 plays take your pick

Dumbass number 6 with his late hit on Arch and I truly believe this is the biggest and the reason for the loss.

Then the other two would be deciding to punt the ball to 21 rather than punt it out of bounds and then the dumbass penalty on the early field goal that led to a touchdown

But number 6 and his dumbass penalty is the biggest to me

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#6 cost his team. That's not on Lebby.

The Punt return is on a lack of depth. We don't put players at risk that are needed elsewhere. That's team management. Stonk has redshirted and he did have coverage duties until then. He had the speed to get down there. But yes, the kick out ran the coverage. We need quality guys on depth to make coverage on returns better.

The chop block. That was a player issue. He cost his team.


No team is ever going to play 100% clean football. We just ain't got the talent and depth to over come those.

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Originally Posted by Quaoarsking

Jesus Christ, I have a thread on this with 16 names that I believe would be upgrades from Lebby and that we could plausibly get.

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That’s fine. Maybe another coach will win 1 SEC game. Then when we’re 1-8 for two years in a row we will want to fire them too. I don’t see a path where we can fire the coach AND pay to flip the roster. That doesn’t include what it will cost to hire the rest of the staff. I do not think it’s a smart business decision. Like it or not, this sport is a business now. You’re right that we should not be happy with these results, but you can’t fire CEO when you’re seeing improvement. We’re 100% better than we were last year.

Maybe you know more about what we have on hand than I do.

I?ve watched ALOT of fball over my lifetime...Bellard losing two EB?s going conservative late in the game. I saw it with Felker in the mud bowl, I didn?t see it with Croom till the memphis bowl and the worst game i ever witnessed although I really questioned WHY we hired him, I didn’t with DM going for the win over LSU that failed but i thought was a great call. I was concerned when I watched JWS his second year in ox and the year when Tubby and JL Dunn won in Dogtown plus the debacle in Memphis with the academy. I really think Lebby has done incredible things in two short years....Three loses on the last play......Just give him one more year to do smarter things.....what other options do the ‘DOGS have..??

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Originally Posted by Quaoarsking

TIL Jeff Lebby's 6-14 (0-12) resume is equivalent to Allyn McKeen's 65-19 (29-16) resume. Like Jesus Christ, this Lebby fandom is turning into a cult with some of you.

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It?s really not. Like someone else said, you are being way too dramatic. The guy?s been here less than two years and if you can?t see massive improvement, you?re blind.