Lebby has proven he cannot WIN the game

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Originally Posted by msstate7

If you can't stick with us at 4-8, don't come back next year when Lebby is 3-9 next year. Lebby won't win a sec game, ever. He's gonna be hell in conf USA

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I was born and raised a state fan. 35 years, but I remember so many Saturday’s ruined. I do remember the good ones, which were made special by So many bad ones. Just have to know when to quit ya know? I don’t expect sympathy and oddly enough am looking forward to state basketball and baseball, but football is long gone for now. May just freelance and be a fan of the day. Not sure, but the past two saturdays have broke my spirit… really every loss this year has been gut wrenching (was at the UTenn game and had a blast).

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Originally Posted by TrapGame

This is going to be a blood bath in coaching this year. If we fire Lebby this season we will not wind up with a good coach. Too many open seats.

I am just about off the Lebby train. I got one foot off but I still think he should get one more year.

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Why? Specifics please. Not platitudes and comments like ?you can?t fire a coach after only 2 years when we have had so many coaches over the last 7 years? Bullshit. Lebby should have never been hired, just like Arnept should not have been hired, just like Moorhead should have never been hired, just like Croom should have never been hired, just like Felker should have never been hired.

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Originally Posted by msstate7

It's not time, yet... when OM stamps their playoff ticket on Lebby's 4-8 season, it's time

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Yes. He still has four more games to bring the hope. And it's not just him thus far. The players are not helping the cause either.

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Originally Posted by mparkerfd20

Go throw the kitchen sink at James Franklin. He's the best we can get with everything else open this year. No one else is gonna take him.

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Huh? He is going to get a fantastic job. We would be the luckiest we've ever been if we somehow pulled that off.

Just about? ???? Two weeks in a row. He Fn played to lose. Shapen is a good team second string. I am done. He is not a winner.

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Originally Posted by MBDawg601

My 2 year old son walked up to me after the game tonight while I was crying and asked “what’s wrong dada” i realized then that I need to alter the future generations sport fandom for my family. I have now entered the transfer portal. May god be with you all.

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Just say to hell with college football and just have him be a Green Bay Packers fan I can?t honestly remember the last time they were bad they seem to luck into QBs and I hate the Packers as a Bears fan

Look. We are at the point. Either let Shapen work for nothing or let KT work for the future? Shapen shit the bed multiple times the last two weeks.

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Originally Posted by EdwardDrayton

Yes. He still has four more games to bring the hope. And it's not just him thus far. The players are not helping the cause either.

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What UM does have nothing to do with our situation. Stop being a little brother. Lebby FN sucks when the game is on the line.

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Originally Posted by archdog

Look. We are at the point. Either let Shapen work for nothing or let KT work for the future? Shapen shit the bed multiple times the last two weeks.

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Shapen threw for 381 with 4 TDs and no interceptions tonight. Blaming this on him is not correct. This is all on Lebby.

Going for it on your own 36 when you are up 10 and their offense is non existent is indefensible. If we simply punt the ball away Texas does not have enough time to make a comeback. It's that simple. Lebby has tanked our last 2 games with his play calls. It is 100% on him and he keeps defending these decisions.

I'll go against the grain. I don't think we should fire Lebby and I don't say that just because "others are hiring". Fact is, Lebby inherited an absolute crapshow (no talent, no coherent roster construction, huge NIL disadvantage, zero identity/pride/motivation) and has managed to get a roster both talented and balanced enough to have us 7-1 this year. His offense works, only games it's failed was because of Shapen missing wide open guys. Now if the team quits on him sure that'll change things, but after a 2-10 year he still got them to fight hard for him going into this year, and after the Florida game he still got them to show up for Texas. All signs point to him being fine at motivating and focusing the team.

NOW, yes his game management is absolutely god awful. If this was his 5th season, I'd say we can fire him over it. But he's midway through his 2nd season as a HC. What exactly do we think "learning on the job" looks like if not this? Now some of you will go "we shouldn't hire anyone that needs to 'learn on the job'!" but the fact is we did, and once that happens you have to give them a chance to figure it out. And let's be honest- if we do fire Lebby -be it this season or 10 years from now- you know damn well they'll go cheap and hire another inexperienced coach that will have the same growing pains, so we might as well see if Lebby fixes his own mistakes this off season.

Lebby gets the credit for creating a team that could be 7-1 right now, and he should get blame for loosing us 2. But I see a lot of people take it for granted that our team has talent and a good scheme in the first place. He should get the chance to fix his own in game management.

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Originally Posted by the_real_MSU_is_us

I"ll go against the grain. I don't think we should fire Lebby and I don't think it's just because "others are hiring". Fact is, Lebby inherited an absolute crapshow (no talent, no coherent roster construction, huge NIL disadvantage) and has managed to get a roster both talented and balanced enough to have us 7-1 this year. His offense works, only games it's failed was because of Shapen missing wide open guys. Now if the team quits on him sure that'll change things, but after a 2-10 year he still got them to fight hard for him, and after the Florida game he still got them to show up for Texas. All signs point to him being fine at motivating and focusing the team.

NOW, yes his game management is absolutely god awful. If this was his 5th season, I'd say we can fire him over it. But he's midway through his 2nd season as a HC. What exactly do we think "learning on the job" looks like if not this? If we do fire Lebby -be it this season or 5 years from now- you know damn well they'll go cheap and hire another inexperienced coach that will have the same growing pains, so we might as well see if Lebby fixes his own mistakes this off season.

Lebby gets the credit for creating a team that could be 7-1 right now, and he should get blame for loosing us 2. But I see a lot of people take it for granted that our team has talent and a good scheme in the first place

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I agree that we shouldn't fire him, but you don't "learn on the job" basic things any Joe blow fan knows. How can you live and breathe football for your entire 40 year existence and do some of the things he is doing?

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Originally Posted by TrapGame

You want to be the ugly girl looking for a prom date when all the cheerleaders broke up with boyfriends?

We could get Jimbo. Maybe Eddie O.

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Jimbo Fisher would be a huge improvement over Lebby. Jimbo would have won 2 more games last year and would have 2 more wins this year so far.

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Originally Posted by chef dixon

I agree that we shouldn't fire him, but you don't "learn on the job" basic things any Joe blow fan knows. How can you live and breathe football for your entire 40 year existence and do some of the things he is doing?

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At both the college and NFL level, I see veteran DCs lose games by calling "prevent defense", I see veteran offensive coaches lose games by going conservative too early, I see experienced coaches make the wrong personnel decisions because they got tricked by practice performance, I see veteran players make mistakes in the heat of a play. Unlike those situations, Lebby can at least say he's new to actually having to make HC decisions

Lebby certainly sucks at an extremely important part of the game. If it's not fixed next year, he should be fired. I'm just saying he should have the chance to recognize and fix the issue first because he's very good at a lot of other parts of his job

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Originally Posted by Quaoarsking

Jimbo Fisher would be a huge improvement over Lebby. Jimbo would have won 2 more games last year and would have 2 more wins this year so far.

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Jimbo as HC and Lebby owning the offense? Sure. But if Jimbo is HC then it's Jimbos offense, and we'd suck on that side of the ball.

You're taking for granted that Lebby brought in real talent and has them in a good scheme. It's not like the only thing Lebby does is game management

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Originally Posted by the_real_MSU_is_us

At both the college and NFL level, I see veteran DCs lose games by calling "prevent defense", I see veteran offensive coaches lose games by going conservative too early, I see experienced coaches make the wrong personnel decisions because they got tricked by practice performance, I see veteran players make mistakes in the heat of a play. Unlike those situations, Lebby can at least say he's new to actually having to make HC decisions

Lebby certainly sucks at an extremely important part of the game. If it's not fixed next year, he should be fired. I'm just saying he should have the chance to recognize and fix the issue first because he's very good at a lot of other parts of his job

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He defends every mistake, so what's to fix?

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Originally Posted by the_real_MSU_is_us

I'll go against the grain. I don't think we should fire Lebby and I don't say that just because "others are hiring". Fact is, Lebby inherited an absolute crapshow (no talent, no coherent roster construction, huge NIL disadvantage, zero identity/pride/motivation) and has managed to get a roster both talented and balanced enough to have us 7-1 this year. His offense works, only games it's failed was because of Shapen missing wide open guys. Now if the team quits on him sure that'll change things, but after a 2-10 year he still got them to fight hard for him going into this year, and after the Florida game he still got them to show up for Texas. All signs point to him being fine at motivating and focusing the team.

NOW, yes his game management is absolutely god awful. If this was his 5th season, I'd say we can fire him over it. But he's midway through his 2nd season as a HC. What exactly do we think "learning on the job" looks like if not this? Now some of you will go "we shouldn't hire anyone that needs to 'learn on the job'!" but the fact is we did, and once that happens you have to give them a chance to figure it out. And let's be honest- if we do fire Lebby -be it this season or 10 years from now- you know damn well they'll go cheap and hire another inexperienced coach that will have the same growing pains, so we might as well see if Lebby fixes his own mistakes this off season.

Lebby gets the credit for creating a team that could be 7-1 right now, and he should get blame for loosing us 2. But I see a lot of people take it for granted that our team has talent and a good scheme in the first place. He should get the chance to fix his own in game management.

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I agree with this. I can't see MSU firing a coach that has doubled our win total and is losing games in overtime in year two after what he took over.

And yeah if it's year three and the same thing is happening then yes- pull the trigger.

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

I agree with this. I can't see MSU firing a coach that has doubled our win total and is losing games in overtime in year two after what he took over.

And yeah if it's year three and the same thing is happening then yes- pull the trigger.

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"Doubled the win total" is a bad argument.

If Lebby had beaten Toledo last year instead of getting humiliated by then, we wouldn't be able to say he doubled the win total, but his resume would be much stronger overall.

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Originally Posted by Quaoarsking

"Doubled the win total" is a bad argument.

If Lebby had beaten Toledo last year instead of getting humiliated by then, we wouldn't be able to say he doubled the win total, but his resume would be much stronger overall.

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No because again it is about optics. After what we have been through with Leach passing away and then Arnett firing a coach after two years while showing improvement is not a good thing to sell to potential coaching candidates. It just isn't. You may not like it and that's not excusing Lebby but firing him now isn't what is best for MSU football.

Look, it's just like we could have fired Lemonis after 2023 and ended up with Justin Haire or we decided to wait and let Lemonis have a fair chance to turn it around and ended up with Brian O'Connor. Which way was best for MSU baseball?

We do need stability and big picture here- there is going to be a lot of coaching turnover in the SEC this year. We know that- Florida and Arkansas are already open. And who knows? Auburn, maybe Ole Miss if Kiffin leaves, Kentucky, maybe Texas is Sark goes to the Titans. Meanwhile we will be in year three of Lebby next year with an easier SEC schedule. And if Lebby can't get it done by then honestly I think there are going to be some pretty good coaches out there we could get. I wouldn't be surprised if we ended up with someone like Petrino if Lebby doesn't work out. Who knows?

So what's best for MSU long term? To go knee jerk and end up with some coordinator again and hope we find Dan- a route that has literally only worked once in five tries in my lifetime?

No- the best thing to do is buy more players next year and see what happens. If it doesn't work out pull the plug. If it does work out- great.

You're presenting a false choice. I already posted a thread of 15 head coaches (not coordinators) who would likely take our job and aren't going to be chosen by Florida, Penn State, LSU, etc. A few of them might go to Virginia Tech or UCLA or wherever, but we could absolutely 100% hire someone off this list:

https://www.elitedawgs.com/showthrea...hing-Hot-Board

Lebby is currently 6-14 as our head coach. Every single name on that list would have at least a couple more wins, if not like 4 more, even with the same NIL $$ investment that Lebby got.

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Originally Posted by Quaoarsking

You're presenting a false choice. I already posted a thread of 15 head coaches (not coordinators) who would likely take our job and aren't going to be chosen by Florida, Penn State, LSU, etc. A few of them might go to Virginia Tech or UCLA or wherever, but we could absolutely 100% hire someone off this list:

https://www.elitedawgs.com/showthrea...hing-Hot-Board

Lebby is currently 6-14 as our head coach. Every single name on that list would have at least a couple more wins, if not like 4 more, even with the same NIL $$ investment that Lebby got.

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Why would we want a 66 year old head coach? You also have multiple FCS coaches listed. You're proving my point.

So why not wait a year and then maybe we can get someone like Petrino and have a much better and deeper pool to choose from?