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10-18-2025, 11:19 PM
Dawgology

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Originally Posted by Coursesuper

Ignorance is bliss. Baseball takes care of itself now that Lem and Cohen are gone. That is a tightly tuned organization now. With a group of people that know the game and how to run and fund the organization.

You’re proving my point. Thanks!!!
10-18-2025, 11:25 PM
Coach34

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Originally Posted by msstate7

You're defending a crap coaching job. Only Lebby loses that game today. That's the only sec coach that loses that game.

I'm not defending it. He could have certainly done better. But I just watched Stoops do even worse. Lebbo is going to get 3 years. He deserves 3 years. Fund the program like Vandy did theirs and we will get better results
10-18-2025, 11:27 PM
parabrave

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Originally Posted by CadaverDawg

We do not need to fire Lebby. Not at all. Learning how to win is tough....teaching a team how to win is tough....especially if you've never been a head coach, and especially learning how to do it in THIS league.

Look, I'm the most emotional State fan ever, and I was once again devastated and saying I hate being a State fan when we lost, but after cooling off it's fairly easy for me to say that Lebby is a guy we can win with long term. But we just have to get over the hump.

If we run Ferrie out there and come up just short, we're all asking why we went too conservative when we needed to be closer. Did I agree with the call? No not really. But the call wasn't nearly as bad as the veteran QB's decision. I'm pissed at Shapen more than Lebby. A veteran QB can't do that. Also can't miss wide open TD's on the road, and can't be a statue some plays while iladvisedly running it on others. Our QB play is hurting us, but I don't necessarily know that Kamario is going to be better. Shapen can be sharp, but can make some awful decisions.

We can't fire another coach right now, and I think Lebby will win one this year, possibly next weekend. Not only does the team have to learn how to win, our coach does too. But winning is contagious, and I feel like once we get a SEC win we can possibly string a few together.

In the past I would have been on either the Fire Lebby train or the Free Kamario train, or both....but I'm not there yet. I think you let Shapen go out and try to redeem himself against Texas, and we keep fighting to create a winning culture. Get that monkey off our back in the SEC and then take a breath and start trying to achieve the next goal of a bowl game.

You have to admit the over haul of the lineup has been a net positive, so let's give the guy some time. It's not like we want to get in the coaching circus THIS year of all years. Talk about getting the leftovers...we'd end up hiring down.

I'm all for supporting Lebby and seeing if we can find a way to win a SEC game and then it's root for a bowl game. May not be likely, but who knows...maybe we beat Texas and then ruin the Rebs season....might as well hope, bc firing Lebby this year seems like a bad idea to me.

I'm more worried about the guys in the locker room losing hope, but if he's able to keep them fighting.....then I'm in too. Learning to win ain't easy...but it's contagious once you do. Look at Vandy. In this day and age we can't just fire a coach every two years. Can't believe I'm saying this but be patient...that's my opinion.

But C it's Lebb who keeps trotting out Shapen. He isn't a freshmen either he is supposed to be Lebs experienced boy who knows the offense. He made some really bad throws which did cost us some TDs tonight. He has no excuse,
10-18-2025, 11:28 PM
msstate7

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Originally Posted by Coach34

I'm not defending it. He could have certainly done better. But I just watched Stoops do even worse. Lebbo is going to get 3 years. He deserves 3 years. Fund the program like Vandy did theirs and we will get better results

In no way is what stoops did worse. Stoops didn't have the last possession and a fg doesn't guarantee a win. From the 1, you go there. Lebby had the last possession and a fg wins it.
10-18-2025, 11:31 PM
CadaverDawg

Texas wasn't in position to kick a game winner against Florida. Is Lebby better than Sark?

See how silly that sounds.

We're all mad bc we lost a game we could have won...but some are failing to realize we were in position to win a SEC road game, which hasn't happened in a while. We are improving, but we aren't there yet. Today was a big miss, but once we went down two scores previous State teams would have folded. We didn't. Despite 15 straight SEC losses. Lebby hasn't lost the team and we could have won it today.

Shapen made the dumb ass play. We also had a dumb fumble in the red zone. And a missed field goal (yet you all think Ferrie didn't suddenly need extra yardage ��). Shapen missed wide open TD's to Thompson and #18. Etc.
Lebby put us in position to win. We need to get over the hurdle
10-18-2025, 11:31 PM
Todd4State

The reality is it comes down to players and MSU has never ever done that. We've always tried to get an offensive guru to come in and outscheme people like Nick Saban and a bunch of 4-5 star recruits. That's only going to get us so far ever.

If we invest in better players we will win more it's that simple. And remember Coleman Hutzler couldn't get his damn guys to line up right on defense and now they are much better.

We get a better QB and offensive line and another receiver to go with Fluff and the running backs then things will be better.
10-18-2025, 11:35 PM
CadaverDawg

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Originally Posted by parabrave

But C it's Lebb who keeps trotting out Shapen. He isn't a freshmen either he is supposed to be Lebs experienced boy who knows the offense. He made some really bad throws which did cost us some TDs tonight. He has no excuse,

KT clearly isn't ready in his eyes. Woukd you like Lebby more if he had started Taylor and we lose by 24? What do you want him to do? It's not like we can outbid other teams for top QB's or that top QB's are dying to come here.
10-18-2025, 11:35 PM
Dawgology

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

The reality is it comes down to players and MSU has never ever done that. We've always tried to get an offensive guru to come in and outscheme people like Nick Saban and a bunch of 4-5 star recruits. That's only going to get us so far ever.

If we invest in better players we will win more it's that simple. And remember Coleman Hutzler couldn't get his damn guys to line up right on defense and now they are much better.

We get a better QB and offensive line and another receiver to go with Fluff and the running backs then things will be better.

But we won’t. We need that money for baseball!!!!
10-18-2025, 11:36 PM
archdog

That is all true. But you have to admit, that may have been one of the worst play calls in the all time history of MSU or college football. That was monumentally bad.
10-18-2025, 11:36 PM
msstate7

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Originally Posted by CadaverDawg

Texas wasn't in position to kick a game winner against Florida. Is Lebby better than Sark?

See how silly that sounds.

We're all mad bc we lost a game we could have won...but some are failing to realize we were in position to win a SEC road game, which hasn't happened in a while. We are improving, but we aren't there yet. Today was a big miss, but once we went down two scores previous State teams would have folded. We didn't. Despite 15 straight SEC losses. Lebby hasn't lost the team and we could have won it today.

Shapen made the dumb ass play. We also had a dumb fumble in the red zone. And a missed field goal (yet you all think Ferrie didn't suddenly need extra yardage ��). Shapen missed wide open TD's to Thompson and #18. Etc.
Lebby put us in position to win. We need to get over the hurdle

Actually our last sec win was a road win by arnett
10-18-2025, 11:37 PM
msstate7

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Originally Posted by archdog

That is all true. But you have to admit, that may have been one of the worst play calls in the all time history of MSU or college football. That was monumentally bad.

Can't critique Lebby... he almost won
10-18-2025, 11:37 PM
CadaverDawg

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Originally Posted by archdog

That is all true. But you have to admit, that may have been one of the worst play calls in the all time history of MSU or college football. That was monumentally bad.

Yeah it was. But Shapen's decision was worse than the play call
10-18-2025, 11:38 PM
CadaverDawg

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Originally Posted by msstate7

Actually our last sec win was a road win by arnett

You want Arnett? I'd prefer Lebby
10-18-2025, 11:38 PM
maroonmania

Cadaver, I very much agree with you. We are just not in a position to make ANOTHER coaching change. We hired a coach AGAIN that has to learn how to be a head coach at a place that is not easy to win at. We are competing this year which we didn't do last year. One or two plays different and we either split or sweep the TN/FL games. We CAN beat Texas next week at home. Don't know if we will but we are certainly capable. I was absolutely pissed with the clock management at the end of today's game and the inexplicable decision by Shapen to throw the ball straight to a FL defender with no MSU receiver in the area but Lebby called some good plays and if Shapen could have been more accurate today we would have won without the last drive. At this point we just need to keep progressing and see where we are at the end of next season.
10-18-2025, 11:39 PM
msstate7

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Originally Posted by CadaverDawg

You want Arnett? I'd prefer Lebby

I want neither, but arnett has something Lebby won't have in 2 seasons - an sec win
10-18-2025, 11:39 PM
CadaverDawg

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Originally Posted by msstate7

Can't critique Lebby... he almost won

Who said you can't critique him? Don't be like that. It's a discussion/debate. Nobody saying you can't argue it or that we don't understand those that want him fired.

Answer me this....who are you hiring if we fire Lebby? Who is your top 3 guys?
10-18-2025, 11:40 PM
Tater

If you're on any state message board tonight arguing against anyone emotionally angry at this loss then that's on you.

I'm drunk off my ass. I know I'm saying stupid shit.

Jeff lebby was sober when he made his bad decision.

Art Briles daughter's dad was prolly sober when he made his bad decisions.

Art Briles' daughter didn't seem sober when she screamed she was putting kids upset about the loss on tik tok for being upset about how we lost. "What the **** Lebby?!!!" was pretty natural. Being angry at our fans for saying that is weird. Especially when ya husband had his tail tucked between his damn legs.
10-18-2025, 11:40 PM
CadaverDawg

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Originally Posted by msstate7

I want neither, but arnett has something Lebby won't have in 2 seasons - an sec win

You don't know that, yet. And what the hell does 5-7 with a SEC win get you that 4-8 without one doesn't? Shitty season is a shitty season. I need to see improvement, and that doesn't always come in the form of wins. Although it's better when it does
10-18-2025, 11:41 PM
Tater

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Originally Posted by CadaverDawg

You want Arnett? I'd prefer Lebby

I want a guy who wins a ****ing sec game.

If we got the baggage that is his wife and his father in law - then where is the wins?
10-18-2025, 11:43 PM
msstate7

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Originally Posted by CadaverDawg

Who said you can't critique him? Don't be like that. It's a discussion/debate. Nobody saying you can't argue it or that we don't understand those that want him fired.

Answer me this....who are you hiring if we fire Lebby? Who is your top 3 guys?

Bob Chesney or Charles Huff

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