Sunday Morning QB with SVS-Setbacks Are Inevitable in This League Edition

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10-05-2025, 12:25 PM
Todd4State

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

But he is a Mississippi kid who was highly rated that people watched dominate 3A Mississippi HS football so naturally he is the next Cam Newton. We have too many new age fans that do not remember Kevin Fant had even more hype and flamed out because he was not ready and he had a terrible O Line.

I mean chunking it down the field randomly and running him every time worked against Ackerman and Ethel right? So why wouldn't that work against Tennessee?*****
10-05-2025, 12:26 PM
Todd4State

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

It is hard to have pocket presence when there is no pocket. Shapen is not perfect by any stretch but no QB could play with our OL. They are just terrible.

Exactly. And we have fans that act like Shapen needs five seconds. No- he is getting like 2 maybe even 1 in some instances. You expect to get at least 3 from an o-line.
10-05-2025, 12:31 PM
Todd4State

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Originally Posted by tcdog70

Damn, even if he isn’t ready, what would it hurt to give him a series. Shapen ain’t it. He has zero pocket presence. He hold the ball too long. He only hits open receivers. He really can’t run.he is short. He set Fluff up to get hurt. Why was Fluff in the game. Hell, why was Shapen in the game? By putting KT in the game our running backs Will be better. Nobody respects Shapen to run, KT can and He can throw (better than Shapen) it is stupid not to give KT a shot.

It might. Especially if we lose a game by one possession and we basically waste a possession where we go three and out running QB draw and read option where KT auto keeps it. And yeah we might get lucky and it works but odds are it won't and why even put the doubt out there? There is a reason why literally no coach does what our fans are suggesting.

Jackie used to do that with our back ups and I honestly can not remember it ever working once. Usually it killed our momentum and we went three and out and ended up with the other team scoring.
10-05-2025, 12:48 PM
Coach34

Fant took an asswhoopin.

32 sacks in 2002- he only received about 26-27 of those because he got hurt
36 sacks in 2003

Worst B2B seasons in school history for sacks I believe altho Crooms 2008 with Mississippi getting 9 sacks in the Egg Bowl to take his job got that year to 37 total
10-05-2025, 04:46 PM
Brobi-wan

Does Luke K just blow in practice? I?m not saying bench Blake for him, but I feel like we have hardly seen him.
10-05-2025, 05:42 PM
StarkVegasSteve

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Originally Posted by Brobi-wan

Does Luke K just blow in practice? I?m not saying bench Blake for him, but I feel like we have hardly seen him.

Because he is the backup. We will not see him unless Blake is injured. We are not giving him unnecessary hits. Kamario is the gadget QB
10-05-2025, 06:04 PM
99jc

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

Or?..and this is what our fan base cannot grasp?..Kamario is supremely talented but just not ready. Shapen gives you the best chance to win THIS YEAR.

I disagree how do you know Taylor isn't ready just because a stubborn coach won't play him? I will go on record as saying that Taylor is just as good or better than Shipley. I think better especially with running the ball that can't even be challenged!
10-05-2025, 06:12 PM
Brobi-wan

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

Because he is the backup. We will not see him unless Blake is injured. We are not giving him unnecessary hits. Kamario is the gadget QB

Thanks for the insight!
10-05-2025, 06:53 PM
R2Dawg

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Originally Posted by basedog

I can't disagree with your post. Our defense played well and never gave up, yes it got out of hand mainly because of our offense having only two first downs in the 2nd and 3rd quarters. The fumble really turned us upside down on the finally score.

I just don't think some don't understand how bad of a situation Lebby inherited, I have said this before, yes, he is still learning on the job. But we are a work in progress, I like his staff especially on defense, we just have to recruit. I think under the circumstances we did ok in the portal but we gotta get more or better next year.

I think we will win a few more games. Open dates does come at a good time to regroup for the team and fans.

Agree. We have two 5 star QBs sitting on the bench and Shapen needed a break and TAMU needed something different to think about. We must do something in future games to throw a D off when they are teeing off on us.
10-05-2025, 06:54 PM
R2Dawg

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

It might. Especially if we lose a game by one possession and we basically waste a possession where we go three and out running QB draw and read option where KT auto keeps it. And yeah we might get lucky and it works but odds are it won't and why even put the doubt out there? There is a reason why literally no coach does what our fans are suggesting.

Jackie used to do that with our back ups and I honestly can not remember it ever working once. Usually it killed our momentum and we went three and out and ended up with the other team scoring.

The 2nd half was nothing but 3 and outs so it couldn't hurt.
10-05-2025, 07:13 PM
StarkVegasSteve

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Originally Posted by 99jc

I disagree how do you know Taylor isn't ready just because a stubborn coach won't play him? I will go on record as saying that Taylor is just as good or better than Shipley. I think better especially with running the ball that can't even be challenged!

You are not wrong that he is better than some random guy named Shipley. He is not better than Blake Shapen though. I know that is tough for some to comprehend but he is not. He cannot grasp the offense. He cannot make the reads fast enough. And he cannot make those RPO reads correctly. I know that this will shock people that the 3A Mississippi QB is not ready for SEC competition but he is not and he is not all that close. He is EXTREMELY athletic, which is why there is a package for him, but he is not ready for even a whole series, much less take the reigns for good.
10-05-2025, 07:18 PM
BravesDoggy

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Originally Posted by msugolf

If you cant simplify the offense to where a high 4 star, superbly gifted qb cant be successful then thats a coaching issue. Likewise, if said qb cant pickup basic qb processes after almost a year on campus then he is not the difference maker we need going forward.

Both scenarios are not promising

The guy played at Noxubee against pee wee competition. He?s not a 4 star from IMG.

Look at what we are seeing from a 3rd year in Manning who played against fat boys in NOLA yet had been tutored all his life by peepaw and his uncles. The guy is still not ready for the SEC grind.
10-05-2025, 08:50 PM
Coach34

As someone who knows some of Noxubee's playcalls in the past 10 years- they are very simplistic and what we call is alot more involved. Typical Noxubee playcall:

Orange 13
Doubles/Bob/All Green
Doubles/Bob/Green Orange
Zone Right
Zone Left

What he is running and playcalling this year is much more involved
10-05-2025, 09:53 PM
HoopsDawg

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

You are not wrong that he is better than some random guy named Shipley. He is not better than Blake Shapen though. I know that is tough for some to comprehend but he is not. He cannot grasp the offense. He cannot make the reads fast enough. And he cannot make those RPO reads correctly. I know that this will shock people that the 3A Mississippi QB is not ready for SEC competition but he is not and he is not all that close. He is EXTREMELY athletic, which is why there is a package for him, but he is not ready for even a whole series, much less take the reins for good.

Very few true freshman are ready for SEC football. Lebby knows what he?s doing.
10-05-2025, 10:21 PM
SPMT

We didn?t lose that game because of Shapen. Yes, he?s limited but we lost because the O line was dominated by their d line. Our d played great.

The two qb runs in second half were stupid calls. Looking back we should?ve let the backup qb and rb play last quarter or half of it at least.
10-05-2025, 11:15 PM
Todd4State

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Originally Posted by Coach34

As someone who knows some of Noxubee's playcalls in the past 10 years- they are very simplistic and what we call is alot more involved. Typical Noxubee playcall:

Orange 13
Doubles/Bob/All Green
Doubles/Bob/Green Orange
Zone Right
Zone Left

What he is running and playcalling this year is much more involved

All Green = All go? One of those has to be four verticals. Orange is maybe a slant?

You left off one play- KT do your thing. Whatever that may be.
10-05-2025, 11:16 PM
Todd4State

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

You are not wrong that he is better than some random guy named Shipley. He is not better than Blake Shapen though. I know that is tough for some to comprehend but he is not. He cannot grasp the offense. He cannot make the reads fast enough. And he cannot make those RPO reads correctly. I know that this will shock people that the 3A Mississippi QB is not ready for SEC competition but he is not and he is not all that close. He is EXTREMELY athletic, which is why there is a package for him, but he is not ready for even a whole series, much less take the reigns for good.

Shipley can make better donuts than Shapen though.**

Biggest adjustment we need to make is get Albert Reese healthy.
10-06-2025, 01:06 AM
DownwardDawg

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

Shipley can make better donuts than Shapen though.**

Biggest adjustment we need to make is get Albert Reese healthy.

Shipley's is still pretty damn good these days.
10-06-2025, 01:24 AM
parabrave

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Originally Posted by DownwardDawg

Shipley's is still pretty damn good these days.

their apple fritters are the best!!
10-06-2025, 06:33 AM
Coach34

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

All Green = All go? One of those has to be four verticals. Orange is maybe a slant?

You left off one play- KT do your thing. Whatever that may be.

Green- Go
Orange- Out

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