Our problem is really that we hired Leach

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Originally Posted by PGHBulldogBG

There weren?t very many other options when we hired Leach but the mess we are digging out of is Keenums mess because he hired Arnett instead of doing a national search or consulting with others. We could?ve hired Lebby in 2023 or someone at least qualified

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Biggest issue was how we got left at the starting gate by the rest of the SEC with NIL and a coach bought into NIL. That's how OM got the separation from us we are experiencing today. I put most of that blame on Cohen because he didn't have a clue how to market and fund raise and didn't put any emphasis on NIL itself or a coach's ability to use NIL when hiring a coach. Thankful Selmon has helped us dig out of a massive NIL and fundraising hole.

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Originally Posted by PGHBulldogBG

There weren?t very many other options when we hired Leach but the mess we are digging out of is Keenums mess because he hired Arnett instead of doing a national search or consulting with others. We could?ve hired Lebby in 2023 or someone at least qualified

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The message that came out was we were trying to keep the class. But whatever the reason for it, that Keenum decision was an unmitigated disaster.

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Originally Posted by EdwardDrayton

My family and I sat in Raymond James Stadium on January 2, 2023, watching Mike Leach's #24 ranked team beat a BIG10 Illinois squad 19-10. 22 days after Mike died.

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It was 13-10 prior to the last play of the game...

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Originally Posted by BeardoMSU

It was 13-10 prior to the last play of the game...

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Don't pee on my memories Beard. LOL!!!

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Originally Posted by R2Dawg

One problem with air raid is TOP. You think our D was tired last night. Our D got better once air raid was out of our system.

We needed to run the ball, run clock and give our D a breather. It worked until we kept forcing the long pass.

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Shoot, his defenses were often better than his offenses here, not sure what you are talking about.

Hiring Leach was a great move, this is nonsense.

Hiring Leach was a big gamble that didn't quite pan out. He was the Air Raid guru and not going to someone off his tree, or close to it, was a huge mistake on Keenum's part.

Of course my take has always been, and always will be, it all started with Moorhead. His Zips won their second game of the season yesterday against Central Michigan.

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Originally Posted by TrapGame

Hiring Leach was a big gamble that didn't quite pan out. He was the Air Raid guru and not going to someone off his tree, or close to it, was a huge mistake on Keenum's part.

Of course my take has always been, and always will be, it all started with Moorhead. His Zips won their second game of the season yesterday against Central Michigan.

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So you're saying he's on the upswing. *****

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Originally Posted by basedog

Arnett was way over his head! Hired maybe the worse staff ever at Msu. Lied to players and couldn't recruit even as an assistant.

You guys blaming Lebby for being bad have lost your mind. He inherited a terrible situation, not only that we are still in a building process. We are better but with injuries and lack of talent on offense along with not much talent depth is showing. Btw, yes Lebby makes mistakes, but this team is still playing hard.

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Arnette made Croom look like Saban.

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Originally Posted by DownwardDawg

Arnette made Croom look like Saban.

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At least Sly could handle himself appropriately on national TV. *****

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

No. The problem is he passed away and we hired Arnett.

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Bingo Todd!!

Our problem is Leach died. Then we hired a guy who didn't want the job, but couldn't turn it down. If Kiffin had croaked, Ole Miss would very likely be in our current shoes, but with a better outlook.

Out of our entire coaching staff who had more years coaching than Arnett, why did we pick him over all the others, for at least a one season transition. I was for a national coach search, but we had no AD. .... but still, the fascination with Arnett by the decision makers was just the stupidest thing ever. Hiring a DC with basically a couple years at best experience as DC on their own, to take over an SEC program.

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Originally Posted by Santiago

Out of our entire coaching staff who had more years coaching than Arnett, why did we pick him over all the others, for at least a one season transition. I was for a national coach search, but we had no AD. .... but still, the fascination with Arnett by the decision makers was just the stupidest thing ever. Hiring a DC with basically a couple years at best experience as DC on their own, to take over an SEC program.

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Other option on staff I guess would have been Spurrier Jr. but he didn't seem to get much consideration for whatever reason. The plus had we gone with him was that the offense would likely have been kept mostly intact.

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Originally Posted by Santiago

Out of our entire coaching staff who had more years coaching than Arnett, why did we pick him over all the others, for at least a one season transition. I was for a national coach search, but we had no AD. .... but still, the fascination with Arnett by the decision makers was just the stupidest thing ever. Hiring a DC with basically a couple years at best experience as DC on their own, to take over an SEC program.

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That whole situation was very booster driven. Bottom line is they took advantage of the situation to get what they wanted- got it and ****ed up our football program. There has been a lot of cover run for them ranging from "what else where we supposed to do?" To we had to keep the recruiting class together to blaming Keenum.

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Originally Posted by maroonmania

Other option on staff I guess would have been Spurrier Jr. but he didn't seem to get much consideration for whatever reason. The plus had we gone with him was that the offense would likely have been kept mostly intact.

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If it were me I would have offered Steve Spurrier, Sr, Bob Stoops, or someone like that our job and Leach's contract as an interim or even full time. Would have gotten us a quality coach and time to reset.

Heck- would have been better off hiring Rockey Felker than Arnett.

Or better off- accelerate hiring Selmon and let him hire Lebby. Tell him that he can hire whoever he wants and get his guy right off the bat.

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

No. The problem is he passed away and we hired Arnett.

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Incorrect. Arnett inherited a roster devoid of any talent. That's on Leach. Doesn't mean Arnett was any good, but Nick Saban wouldn't have won more than 4 games with that roster. That is Leach's entire history: Recruit guys for his very specific, and by that time outdated, system that's unfit for anything else.

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Originally Posted by War Machine Dawg

Incorrect. Arnett inherited a roster devoid of any talent. That's on Leach. Doesn't mean Arnett was any good, but Nick Saban wouldn't have won more than 4 games with that roster. That is Leach's entire history: Recruit guys for his very specific, and by that time outdated, system that's unfit for anything else.

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No disrespect but to say a roster devoid of talent is either delusional, denial or just willful ignorance.

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Originally Posted by War Machine Dawg

Incorrect. Arnett inherited a roster devoid of any talent. That's on Leach. Doesn't mean Arnett was any good, but Nick Saban wouldn't have won more than 4 games with that roster. That is Leach's entire history: Recruit guys for his very specific, and by that time outdated, system that's unfit for anything else.

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Yeah. Teams that return most of their players back after they won 9 games and return most of their players are "devoid of talent".

Getting players in space to make plays is never gong to be antiquated.

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Originally Posted by EdwardDrayton

No disrespect but to say a roster devoid of talent is either delusional, denial or just willful ignorance.

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They're still mad that Leach proved their theory that all Mississippi State can do to win games is run the ball completely false.

It's not a coincidence that the coache MSU hired ran an offense that is on the Air Raid tree.

Leach catching strays for something he had no control over.