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06-16-2025, 12:19 PM
Brobi-wan

Is there no chance that Luke K could be our starter at all? I was thinking Luke, Blake, redshirt KT
06-16-2025, 12:50 PM
DownwardDawg

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Originally Posted by Cooterpoot

His numbers before he got hurt were really good and that was before we even had a running game. Almost 70% completion percentage and 9 TDs to 1 pick. 9 yards per too

This. For some reason people have a hard time understanding this. He was actually pretty damn good.
06-16-2025, 12:53 PM
DownwardDawg

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Originally Posted by viverlibre

Shapen only putting 17 points on Toledo (at home), is the only thing one should consider if deciding if he or any other QB should start.

Stay far away from coaching.
06-16-2025, 12:54 PM
DEDawg

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Originally Posted by Brobi-wan

Is there no chance that Luke K could be our starter at all? I was thinking Luke, Blake, redshirt KT

I think it's Shapen then KT then a distant third for LK. Would love to be wrong though, Shapen has the least talent of all 3 but is the most experienced at this point. It will be really interesting to see if KT or LK comes in first if we are up 30 on USM in the 4th
06-16-2025, 01:15 PM
StarkVegasSteve

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Originally Posted by DEDawg

I think it's Shapen then KT then a distant third for LK. Would love to be wrong though, Shapen has the least talent of all 3 but is the most experienced at this point. It will be really interesting to see if KT or LK comes in first if we are up 30 on USM in the 4th

My guess is that it would be Kromenhoek. I think you'd try to get them both a drive though.
06-16-2025, 01:25 PM
Ezsoil

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Originally Posted by Quaoarsking

I don't think redshirting is going to be thing anymore by 2029, so we shouldn't worry about that.

I wouldn't say that ....because with the NIL countracts many players will make the most they will ever make in college ...you already see it in Baseball followed by basketball... for a few elite players the pros will be an increase in pay ...but 99% of college players will make more in college ....
06-16-2025, 01:36 PM
DownwardDawg

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Originally Posted by DEDawg

I think it's Shapen then KT then a distant third for LK. Would love to be wrong though, Shapen has the least talent of all 3 but is the most experienced at this point. It will be really interesting to see if KT or LK comes in first if we are up 30 on USM in the 4th

Up 30 against USM????? I'll have some of what you're having!!!!!

Seriously though, I hope your optimism is right. I just hope we can beat them. We suck as bad as the Croom teams that lost to La Tech and Tulane.
06-16-2025, 02:30 PM
Coach34

Starting a true freshman that ran a very basic Spread offense at Noxubee behind a new OL that will take time to gel would be pretty dumb.
06-16-2025, 05:20 PM
vv83

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Originally Posted by DownwardDawg

Up 30 against USM????? I'll have some of what you're having!!!!!

Seriously though, I hope your optimism is right. I just hope we can beat them. We suck as bad as the Croom teams that lost to La Tech and Tulane.

I honestly think just having SEC athletes on defense makes us twice as good as last season. We should be able to hold them to 14 and don?t think unreasonable we put up 45 on them. That being said we are MSU so strong change it?s a tight game going into the 4th
06-16-2025, 06:21 PM
EdwardDrayton

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Originally Posted by Lord McBuckethead

With open transfers and NIL, there is no reason to even worry about someone's redshirt year anymore. We invest in these players, then they get $12 dollars more from Auburn and they leave.

We all know this year is going to be rough, 90 days before kickoff. Might as well get the guy some easy snaps against the non-conference and take a gamble on him getting up to speed as quickly as possible. 3-9 or 2-10, I would rather our younger players get the reps. All that being said, I like Shapen. If he is our starter, then you have to protect the younger guy's redshirt.

No offense to Shapen. The issue here is that we are probably spending some big cheese on the guy NIL.

I mean, blown glass IS expensive. *****
06-16-2025, 07:48 PM
Cooterpoot

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Originally Posted by Lord McBuckethead

With open transfers and NIL, there is no reason to even worry about someone's redshirt year anymore. We invest in these players, then they get $12 dollars more from Auburn and they leave.

We all know this year is going to be rough, 90 days before kickoff. Might as well get the guy some easy snaps against the non-conference and take a gamble on him getting up to speed as quickly as possible. 3-9 or 2-10, I would rather our younger players get the reps. All that being said, I like Shapen. If he is our starter, then you have to protect the younger guy's redshirt.

No offense to Shapen. The issue here is that we are probably spending some big cheese on the guy NIL.

Hate to hurt your feelings but we aren't just winning 2 or 3 games. We're going to win a few. Taylor will get his 4 games. Might have a goal line package for him or something but he's redshirting and knew it when he signed. He gets to learn the offense behind Shapen (who likely ends up a grad assistant type if he doesn't play after State).
06-16-2025, 08:34 PM
Coach34

We all know Plastic Man wont finish the season. Let him play his 5-6-7 games till he gets hurt and then turn it over to the other 2 QB's.
06-16-2025, 09:13 PM
EdwardDrayton

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Originally Posted by Coach34

We all know Plastic Man wont finish the season. Let him play his 5-6-7 games till he gets hurt and then turn it over to the other 2 QB's.

^^^^^^
06-16-2025, 09:40 PM
viverlibre

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Originally Posted by DownwardDawg

This. For some reason people have a hard time understanding this. He was actually pretty damn good.

Yes balled out at home against that powerhouse Toledo. A true freshman put up much better numbers on the road in Athens.

No matter who you start, the ceiling is 4-5 wins. So start Sharp and let?s say he?s decent. We?re 4-8 in 2025 and heading into 2026 (a year we will hopefully get a break on the schedule) with an unproven, inexperienced QB.

Start Shapen, he gets the ?easy? reps against lessor competition. By the Tenn game he?s out for the year and we?re scrambling to get an inexperienced QB ready against the meat of our schedule, when Shapen got the first team reps up until that point.
06-16-2025, 09:42 PM
Coach34

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Originally Posted by viverlibre

Yes balled out at home against that powerhouse Toledo. A true freshman put up much better numbers on the road in Athens.

No matter who you start, the ceiling is 4-5 wins. So start Sharp and let?s say he?s decent. We?re 4-8 in 2025 and heading into 2026 (a year we will hopefully get a break on the schedule) with an unproven, inexperienced QB.

Start Shapen, he gets the ?easy? reps against lessor competition. By the Tenn game he?s out for the year and we?re scrambling to get an inexperienced QB ready against the meat of our schedule, when Shapen got the first team reps up until that point.

The thing is- it doesnt matter. We arent winning 6 no matter who plays QB.
06-16-2025, 11:21 PM
Todd4State

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Originally Posted by viverlibre

Shapen only putting 17 points on Toledo (at home), is the only thing one should consider if deciding if he or any other QB should start.

You shouldn't base whether a QB starts or not based on one game. That would be about like me saying Dak should have been benched because of the 2014 Egg Bowl.

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Originally Posted by Lord McBuckethead

With open transfers and NIL, there is no reason to even worry about someone's redshirt year anymore. We invest in these players, then they get $12 dollars more from Auburn and they leave.

We all know this year is going to be rough, 90 days before kickoff. Might as well get the guy some easy snaps against the non-conference and take a gamble on him getting up to speed as quickly as possible. 3-9 or 2-10, I would rather our younger players get the reps. All that being said, I like Shapen. If he is our starter, then you have to protect the younger guy's redshirt.

No offense to Shapen. The issue here is that we are probably spending some big cheese on the guy NIL.

I don't think it's that cut and dried. Yes, the portal is a big part of the game now BUT you still have to have a development piece. You have to have guys that you develop. You look at Ole Miss and yes, they got a ton of players out of the portal BUT they also had a constant at QB for three years to build around. We shouldn't overlook the development piece of the equation.

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

And it may not. I just would love for him to have a year to develop and really learn this offense without the pressure of having to learn it, learn how to command an offense at this level, the weight of the season riding on his shoulders, etc. when he is less than a year into college. QB is the one position I don't mind waiting a year to let them develop. I think had Van Buren been able to develop last year, 1. He would still be here and 2. We'd feel really good about where the QB room was right now.

We feel the same way about this. Kamario has an incredible ceiling. My biggest concern is can Shapen make it through the season?
06-17-2025, 06:26 AM
bulldawg28

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Originally Posted by Coach34

The thing is- it doesnt matter. We arent winning 6 no matter who plays QB.

I think we will be on the cusp, 5 minimum knocking at 6 is very doable. If all these RB's perform there will be at least 2 upsets in Starkville this year, maybe 3.
06-17-2025, 06:55 AM
somebodyshotmypaw

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Originally Posted by bulldawg28

I think we will be on the cusp, 5 minimum knocking at 6 is very doable. If all these RB's perform there will be at least 2 upsets in Starkville this year, maybe 3.

I don’t think RB’s performing is the issue. I think the question is the line of scrimmage. We have a lot of new offensive and defensive linemen. You have to be strong on the line of scrimmage on both sides in this league. Last year, our defensive line was as bad as it’s been in many years at MSU. We couldn’t stop the run and we couldn’t get to the quarterback. How we perform on the line of scrimmage on both sides will make or break us.
06-17-2025, 08:06 AM
Pancho

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Originally Posted by viverlibre

Yes balled out at home against that powerhouse Toledo. A true freshman put up much better numbers on the road in Athens.

No matter who you start, the ceiling is 4-5 wins. So start Sharp and let?s say he?s decent. We?re 4-8 in 2025 and heading into 2026 (a year we will hopefully get a break on the schedule) with an unproven, inexperienced QB.

Start Shapen, he gets the ?easy? reps against lessor competition. By the Tenn game he?s out for the year and we?re scrambling to get an inexperienced QB ready against the meat of our schedule, when Shapen got the first team reps up until that point.

i'll side with the part about you staying far away from coaching but carry on
06-17-2025, 08:29 AM
StarkVegasSteve

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

You shouldn't base whether a QB starts or not based on one game. That would be about like me saying Dak should have been benched because of the 2014 Egg Bowl.

I don't think it's that cut and dried. Yes, the portal is a big part of the game now BUT you still have to have a development piece. You have to have guys that you develop. You look at Ole Miss and yes, they got a ton of players out of the portal BUT they also had a constant at QB for three years to build around. We shouldn't overlook the development piece of the equation.

We feel the same way about this. Kamario has an incredible ceiling. My biggest concern is can Shapen make it through the season?

The concern with Shapen, or at least my concern, is can you run this offense the way we want to run it without having to worry if Shapen is going to get hurt? I mean it seemed like the first game this offense was running the way Lebby wanted to run it was against Florida, and Shapen gets hurt in that game.

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