Coach 34, if I may, a football question

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06-03-2025, 01:23 PM
StarkVegasSteve

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Originally Posted by confucius say

Right. I get that the rev share is 20.5, about 15-17 of which will go to football.
But I don't think 8 sec teams will put in additional 20 million to football on top of the 15-17. That would be 35-37 million.

I would expect every SEC team next year, if Rev Share goes through, will have a roster anywhere between 28-38 million. We will be on the lower end of that but will still have a lot of money. I.E. We'll be closer to 34 than to 30
06-03-2025, 01:25 PM
confucius say

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Originally Posted by Coach34

Oh really?

https://www.outkick.com/sports/texas...use-settlement

Yes, really. Did you read the article? It said one school, Texas, is expected to be at 30-40 total. Even if you spot them that they get to 35-37 total, that's one school. The richest one in college football.
Who are the other 7 sec teams putting in 20 million in NIl on top of the 17 million in rev share? Not happening.
06-03-2025, 01:28 PM
confucius say

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

I would expect every SEC team next year, if Rev Share goes through, will have a roster anywhere between 28-38 million. We will be on the lower end of that but will still have a lot of money. I.E. We'll be closer to 34 than to 30

We're spending 17 million in NIL and 17 million in rev share?
06-03-2025, 01:29 PM
Coach34

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Originally Posted by confucius say

Yes, really. Did you read the article? It said one school, Texas, is expected to be at 30-40 total. Even if you spot them that they get to 35-37 total, that's one school. The richest one in college football.
Who are the other 7 sec teams putting in 20 million in NIl on top of the 17 million in rev share? Not happening.

So you think LSU/Tenn/Bama/Aub/Georgia/Fla/A&M are all just going to let Texas outspend them? You're delusional if you think that. Plus, SC/Mississippi/UPig will continue to outspend us. Some of them are already spending over 20MM per
06-03-2025, 01:31 PM
confucius say

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Originally Posted by Coach34

So you think LSU/Tenn/Bama/Aub/Georgia/Fla/A&M are all just going to let Texas outspend them? You're delusional if you think that. Plus, SC/Mississippi/UPig will continue to outspend us.

Yes. Texas will spend more than anybody in the conference. Not saying by some huge gap. But they will spend the most because they have the most.
06-03-2025, 01:36 PM
StarkVegasSteve

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Originally Posted by confucius say

We're spending 17 million in NIL and 17 million in rev share?

We are going to spend as close to 20 as possible. Basketball is being take care of by Oscar and Richard and baseball has some rejuvenated boosters that are going to foot a larger portion. I would guess we spend between 18-20 on football. And yes, our football guys really stepped up. We were up around 15 last year by the end.
06-03-2025, 01:41 PM
HoopsDawg

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

We are going to spend as close to 20 as possible. Basketball is being take care of by Oscar and Richard and baseball has some rejuvenated boosters that are going to foot a larger portion. I would guess we spend between 18-20 on football. And yes, our football guys really stepped up. We were up around 15 last year by the end.

Gotta see what Lebby and staff can do. My biggest concern is landing impact DTs. Will we ever land a Walter Nolen type from the portal. I'm skeptical.
06-03-2025, 01:44 PM
Coach34

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Originally Posted by HoopsDawg

Gotta see what Lebby and staff can do. My biggest concern is landing impact DTs. Will we ever land a Walter Nolen type from the portal. I'm skeptical.

We never have and never will get the guys the big boys want. The only time we have is when they were homegrown. That’s our only chance
06-03-2025, 01:45 PM
StarkVegasSteve

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Originally Posted by HoopsDawg

Gotta see what Lebby and staff can do. My biggest concern is landing impact DTs. Will we ever land a Walter Nolen type from the portal. I'm skeptical.

Yea you and I agree on that. We need an impact DL instead of just hoping Burroughs is that or that Whitson can take the next step.
06-03-2025, 01:49 PM
HoopsDawg

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Originally Posted by Coach34

We never have and never will get the guys the big boys want. The only time we have is when they were homegrown. That?s our only chance

I wonder if we would have kept any of the homegrown blue chippers in today's era. I feel Chris Jones would have left after freshman year. We may have kept Simmons, but he would have been half our budget.

Those guys are rare. Not enough Fletcher Cox's to go around.
06-03-2025, 02:35 PM
gtowndawg

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

We can win 6-7 consistently and every 2-3 years sneak up and win 9-10. That is why we need to stabilize the roster. We need to get back to that 6-7 win threshold with what we have and then start to find multi year guys that can build towards a peak year, a bit like we used to do with Mullen but it's a bit harder to time in the portal era.

Totally agree, we have the ability to win 7 games consistently and once a decade have the stars align for a bigger year. But I just feel like people have given up on the most important sport on campus.

Also, if we spend 18million on football and some of our lower half competition (Ole Miss, Missouri, etc) spend 20, I don't think it's that big of a difference between a high 3star recruit and a low 4 star recruit. It's close enough where coaching and home field advantage make the difference.
06-03-2025, 02:42 PM
confucius say

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

We are going to spend as close to 20 as possible. Basketball is being take care of by Oscar and Richard and baseball has some rejuvenated boosters that are going to foot a larger portion. I would guess we spend between 18-20 on football. And yes, our football guys really stepped up. We were up around 15 last year by the end.

You're saying we spent 15 million on the 2024 football roster?
06-03-2025, 02:43 PM
StarkVegasSteve

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Originally Posted by HoopsDawg

I wonder if we would have kept any of the homegrown blue chippers in today's era. I feel Chris Jones would have left after freshman year. We may have kept Simmons, but he would have been half our budget.

Those guys are rare. Not enough Fletcher Cox's to go around.

It would have been tough to have afforded the 18 defense in the transfer portal era. That would have been a 3 million dollar defense between Simmons, Sweat, Abram, and Co.
06-03-2025, 02:44 PM
StarkVegasSteve

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Originally Posted by confucius say

You're saying we spent 15 million on the 2024 football roster?

No on the roster for this upcoming season. I should have said we had raised that by years end. My bad on that one.
06-03-2025, 02:52 PM
Coach34

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Originally Posted by gtowndawg

Totally agree, we have the ability to win 7 games consistently and once a decade have the stars align for a bigger year. But I just feel like people have given up on the most important sport on campus.

Also, if we spend 18million on football and some of our lower half competition (Ole Miss, Missouri, etc) spend 20, I don't think it's that big of a difference between a high 3star recruit and a low 4 star recruit. It's close enough where coaching and home field advantage make the difference.

I disagree. 6-7 is our new ceiling unless we get really lucky
06-03-2025, 03:13 PM
MoreCowbell

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Originally Posted by gtowndawg

Totally agree, we have the ability to win 7 games consistently and once a decade have the stars align for a bigger year. But I just feel like people have given up on the most important sport on campus.

Also, if we spend 18million on football and some of our lower half competition (Ole Miss, Missouri, etc) spend 20, I don't think it's that big of a difference between a high 3star recruit and a low 4 star recruit. It's close enough where coaching and home field advantage make the difference.

We would have to offer significantly more money to a player others want to get them to Starkville. So even if the gap is only 3 million on paper it is actually much bigger than that.
06-03-2025, 03:22 PM
Hot Rock

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Originally Posted by confucius say

Right. I get that the rev share is 20.5, about 15-17 of which will go to football.
But I don't think 8 sec teams will put in additional 20 million to football on top of the 15-17. That would be 35-37 million.

Then you would be wrong. Manning getting 8 mil for one year... what you think the rest of that roster is getting?
06-03-2025, 03:52 PM
Bothrops

We could be a G5 football program with much better facilities. That looks to be the future, whether we like it or not. Just don't have the ability to waste millions and millions and millions every single year on kids looking for the highest bidder after a year, if you're lucky. Kids' brains are controlled by instant gratification. The modern day crops don't have anything for loyalty or sense of belonging. It's what they were taught.
06-03-2025, 04:05 PM
Coach34

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Originally Posted by Bothrops

We could be a G5 football program with much better facilities. That looks to be the future, whether we like it or not. Just don't have the ability to waste millions and millions and millions every single year on kids looking for the highest bidder after a year, if you're lucky. Kids' brains are controlled by instant gratification. The modern day crops don't have anything for loyalty or sense of belonging. It's what they were taught.

We’re not going to be removed because we suck in football. Just like Candy won’t. Kentucky won’t.

Basketball brings a shit ton of money into the conference as well. It is viewed damn near as important as football from a business perspective. Baseball continues to grow and grow. Moving forward there will be winners, middle teams, and suck teams. The model moving forward doesn’t want to bunch of 9-3 teams at the Top of the rankings. Got to have some doormats for some off weeks
06-03-2025, 04:11 PM
confucius say

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Originally Posted by Hot Rock

Then you would be wrong. Manning getting 8 mil for one year... what you think the rest of that roster is getting?

Manning plays for 8 sec teams?

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