Governor's Cup- Lemonis Just isn't Cutting It

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Originally Posted by BravesDoggy

I don?t care one way or the other that it has or hasn?t caused him to hold on to the job. My point is people are coming up with all kinds of stupid like he lucked into a natty with no skill whatsoever, meanwhile the god midget Cholk has exactly zero natties.

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Polk also coached in a completely different era. When we hired him we had only been to Omaha once and had ZERO wins in Omaha. He won our first ever CWS game in 1979 and honestly I don't really think our fans or any fans in the SEC believed a SEC team could win a NC in baseball until our 1985 team came close. We weren't the first to do it but I'm pretty sure if we brought back 1979 Polk in a time machine we would win some National Championships in this current environment.

Oh yeah- he also recruited a guy named John Cohen so that set some things in order down the road that led to our NC.

Lemonis basically deserves credit for not pulling a Moorhead in baseball.

Lemonis did a great job in 2021. He took a team with no mlb guys that hit .287 as a team and won a title. He pushed all the right buttons. He managed well. When to back off annd when to push. Ask TA and rowdy.

That he deserves to be fired now doesn't change that.

Nah. He backed into it in 2021. Swept by Arkansas in Starkville, lost 2 of 3 to Missouri the weekend before the SEC tourney, got run-ruled against Florida and Tennessee in back to back games in Hoover(TN run-rule was a losers bracket game) then got a favorable top 8 seed (7) anyway after going 1-4 those last 2 weeks. Didn't have to face Tennessee again in Omaha and missed the hottest team in the country, NC State. Yep. He had a horseshoe up his ass against Virginia, being no-hit for 7 innings, before the 3 guys carrying that team took over late.

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Originally Posted by CaptainObvious

Nah. He backed into it in 2021. Swept by Arkansas in Starkville, lost 2 of 3 to Missouri the weekend before the SEC tourney, got run-ruled against Florida and Tennessee in back to back games in Hoover(TN run-rule was a losers bracket game) then got a favorable top 8 seed (7) anyway after going 1-4 those last 2 weeks. Didn't have to face Tennessee again in Omaha and missed the hottest team in the country, NC State. Yep. He had a horseshoe up his ass against Virginia, being no-hit for 7 innings, before the 3 guys carrying that team took over late.

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I agree with everything except the NC State part. They were the 4th best team out of the four left. State and Texas were in a league of their own. Then Vanderbilt and then NC State. Vandy would have handled them easily but would have had to use one of their pitchers. That's what everyone was so upset about. They were in much better shape entering the Championship series due to that forfeiture.

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Originally Posted by CaptainObvious

Nah. He backed into it in 2021. Swept by Arkansas in Starkville, lost 2 of 3 to Missouri the weekend before the SEC tourney, got run-ruled against Florida and Tennessee in back to back games in Hoover(TN run-rule was a losers bracket game) then got a favorable top 8 seed (7) anyway after going 1-4 those last 2 weeks. Didn't have to face Tennessee again in Omaha and missed the hottest team in the country, NC State. Yep. He had a horseshoe up his ass against Virginia, being no-hit for 7 innings, before the 3 guys carrying that team took over late.

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Let's not act like we've always had awesome "luck" in Omaha. See 1985.

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Originally Posted by Political Hack

I've never seen a Mississippi State coach or scout at PG events in Atlanta. I don't think they have a good feel for the players we bring in. Everyone is caught up in measurables and exit velo and measuring the five tools instead of just saying "which of these guys is the most skilled player?" Recruiting and player scouting has completely shit the bed the last half-decade plus imo... and it's a symptom everywhere, not just at State. They're recruiting players that have elite tools, but not skilled baseball players. That's why you see constant errors and base running mistakes. More Jake Mangum's and fewer donkeys and plus arms that we have teach how to play baseball.

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analytics have hurt the game.

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Originally Posted by parabrave

analytics have hurt the game.

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Yep. The kids playing at PG today get charted. Spray charts vs fastball, curve, change, etc... are available starting at 8u for only $9.99 a month! Every coach pays it. I saw a 12u team before spring break using wrist bands and shifting pitch to pitch.

Many of us in this forum are business owners or are high level employees who are compensated on production of a product or service and the bottom line. If Lemons was in a civil position with his output, he'd be pink slipped or broke if he owned the business. He is a pro at the art of just barely getting by and evidently has no idea or any intentions of understanding how to improve or determining his deficiencies. This must end