Since Leach passed

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Originally Posted by Really Clark?

We averaged a little more in conference per game than Leach did his first year and up nearly 9 points over last season. And you damn well know it was more explosive offensively, we could not score nearly as points as was on the table...with a true Freshman at QB most of the year.

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We scored more points than a covid year offense and a broken lying staff did? Yay

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Originally Posted by Coursesuper

This post is some extremely low quality horse shit. What a troll you have become and all over your fragile ego and a kid. Throwing rocks at the easy targets. Im sure you?re just backing up that bunch of 17ers who put us in this situation in the first place.

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Those bunch of Fers are the president of our school and the rest of them just got fired or ran out of coaching again

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Originally Posted by BuckyIsAB****

Those bunch of Fers are the president of our school and the rest of them just got fired or ran out of coaching again

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You know better than that. If not then you are not as informed as I thought you were. You know who they are. It?s shitty politics, so missippiy of us to cut our own throat.

I don't care what offense system we run because we've tried it all and they all fall flat on their face at MSU. Our best teams had no quit and played hard. Get the lines fixed and whatever offense or defense we run will benefit from it. There were way too many mental mistakes on both sides for it to be lack of talent issues.

This team will improve drastically with good linemen on both sides. It?s Really all we need to be a good team.

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Originally Posted by BuckyIsAB****

All I hear is still hating on a kid that is GONE and a coach that DIED. And nothing of any substance that denies we are where we are because of Keenum and laziness and buddy ball. Some of y?all know some things, and you know what I know you just are mad that I supported Leach. Lebby is not it and I will be pleasantly surprised if he is it. You don?t fix culture problems you either demand it or you dont. And so far by all accounts he has not. As bad as the yacht club was and they are a huge reason we are 2-10? we won a SEC game

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how are you gonna start a low quality shit post thread and then get mad when people call it out lol

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Originally Posted by Coursesuper

You know better than that. If not then you are not as informed as I thought you were. You know who they are. It?s shitty politics, so missippiy of us to cut our own throat.

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You know the answer to where his information / talking points comes from.

Why are we rehashing or should I say beating a dead horse - literally? This has to be the 100th and counting thread bashing Leach and Arnett and now Lebby. We get it, now let's think ahead, make corrections and move on!

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Originally Posted by Extendedcab

Why are we rehashing or should I say beating a dead horse - literally? This has to be the 100th and counting thread bashing Leach and Arnett and now Lebby. We get it, now let's think ahead, make corrections and move on!

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Because it's what the OP does on all the boards. Whines about Leach and baby boy Will

Leach destroyed recruiting? His classed were right there with Mulle ns.

Please stop spreading lies to meet your agenda. We get it, most didn't like Leach, but he brought in good enough talent to compete and his classes were in line with our recruiting historically. We are in a bad place because of what has transpired since his passing. Hiring nobodies expecting them to be something they're not.

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Originally Posted by MBDawg601

Leach destroyed recruiting? His classed were right there with Mulle ns.

Please stop spreading lies to meet your agenda. We get it, most didn't like Leach, but he brought in good enough talent to compete and his classes were in line with our recruiting historically. We are in a bad place because of what has transpired since his passing. Hiring nobodies expecting them to be something they're not.

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Go back and look at those last few classes under Leach and circle all of those contributors. Especially on defense and tell me it was equal to Mullen's recruiting. Not to mention Leach thought Emerick was good to have around in recruiting. Leach ran a good program, don't mistake me thinking he didn't, but recruiting was not his strong suit.

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Originally Posted by MBDawg601

Leach destroyed recruiting? His classed were right there with Mulle ns.

Please stop spreading lies to meet your agenda. We get it, most didn't like Leach, but he brought in good enough talent to compete and his classes were in line with our recruiting historically. We are in a bad place because of what has transpired since his passing. Hiring nobodies expecting them to be something they're not.

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Dude go look at the actual players and names. Dont just focus on some number 247 tells you. How many contributed this year? Leach screwed us with recruiting misses

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Originally Posted by DEDawg

how are you gonna start a low quality shit post thread and then get mad when people call it out lol

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Im past being mad. I just have apathy like so many others and im not going to lie or sugar coat where we are or why. 34 is definitely right about one thing, NIL killed MSU football I just don?t think our people are slimy enough or dumb enough to get pissed on and believe it?s rain. But some of ours do, maybe it?s you if you believe the company line and wanna blame a dead man 2 years after he?s gone for losing to Toledo

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Originally Posted by Cooterpoot

Because it's what the OP does on all the boards. Whines about Leach and baby boy Will

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On all the boards? This is the only one I read or have an account on. Im just not gonna lie. Keenum needs to go, Lebby is not ready and Selmon has done absolutely nothing visually to inspire any confidence. He has had multiple chances to do what needed to be done and he kept Lemonis and hired his best buddy to keep ruining a tough football program and make it a flashy frat boy party.

Im glad we had some anonymous donors to give some money so Lebby can decide what to do with it haha

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Originally Posted by BuckyIsAB****

On all the boards? This is the only one I read or have an account on. Im just not gonna lie. Keenum needs to go, Lebby is not ready and Selmon has done absolutely nothing visually to inspire any confidence. He has had multiple chances to do what needed to be done and he kept Lemonis and hired his best buddy to keep ruining a tough football program and make it a flashy frat boy party.

Im glad we had some anonymous donors to give some money so Lebby can decide what to do with it haha

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They are not best buddies and were not when Selmon hired him. Thats just a message board talking point. Beamer is Selmon's best friend, Lebby was just a friendly acquaintance in the football department at OK.

State is successful when they have Top 30 Defenses. Leach was able to overcome some of that with a ball control passing offense. Which most of our fans hated because it wasn't explosive.

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Originally Posted by Really Clark?

They are not best buddies and were not when Selmon hired him. Thats just a message board talking point. Beamer is Selmon's best friend, Lebby was just a friendly acquaintance in the football department at OK.

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Right. Im sure they had to learn each others names at the interview. To act like there is not a problem here and there is no favoritism, nepotism, buddy ball going on at MSU since Leach passed is just sticking your head in the sand

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Originally Posted by CaptainObvious

State is successful when they have Top 30 Defenses. Leach was able to overcome some of that with a ball control passing offense. Which most of our fans hated because it wasn't explosive.

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It sure did suck going to Tampa that one time. Tampa to the Toilet

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Originally Posted by DEDawg

Dude go look at the actual players and names. Dont just focus on some number 247 tells you. How many contributed this year? Leach screwed us with recruiting misses

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Any contributors or decent talent would have transferred out of this shit show if they had half a brain.

That is why there are none.

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Originally Posted by BuckyIsAB****

Right. Im sure they had to learn each others names at the interview. To act like there is not a problem here and there is no favoritism, nepotism, buddy ball going on at MSU since Leach passed is just sticking your head in the sand

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Hyperbole. You said best buddy and that's not close to true between Selmon and Lebby. Friendly acquaintances at best.