So this is what hell is like

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

I think they give a shit but they don't have a clue how to win.

Like I said hiring Hutzler would never happen at any other SEC school besides Vanderbilt. It's just obviously bad decisions like that which kill the program.

And then MSU hires someone like Mike Leach that has a good vision and is successful and wins at MSU but they want to blow that up because of selfish football ignorant reasons to go back to what didn't work before.

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And you don't think Hutlzer has ever seen what it takes to win at Bama? Saban himself would be at the bottom with this group and if you can't see the improvement from game one to now on that side of the ball, then you don't want to.

Hiring Leach set us back a decade. For all his vision, his system gutted the traditional roster makeup and his recruiting left Hutzler in this shit sandwich with no DL. Thank goodness for the portal so we can flip it more quickly.

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Originally Posted by Interpolation_Dawg_EX

And you don't think Hutlzer has ever seen what it takes to win at Bama? Saban himself would be at the bottom with this group and if you can't see the improvement from game one to now on that side of the ball, then you don't want to.

Hiring Leach set us back a decade. For all his vision, his system gutted the traditional roster makeup and his recruiting left Hutzler in this shit sandwich with no DL. Thank goodness for the portal so we can flip it more quickly.

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Hiring Leach, who won here with a G5 qb set us back a decade?


Hiring first time head coaches has set us back 10 years. He is the only coach in recent history we have hired that can run a program. Most of the players from Leach have graduated or transferred out.

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

I think we see that this offseason honestly.

MSU needs to show more fan service too. Get the damn LED lights and stuff like that. Enough of "well we need to see what revenue sharing looks like". F that. And more of the interlocking MSU.

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Lets keep the Script State until it looks like we have righted the ship. The State is already attached to losing and suck. That is what everyone thinks when they now see it, lets no ruin interlocking MSU because that is a winning look.

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

I think they give a shit but they don't have a clue how to win.

Like I said hiring Hutzler would never happen at any other SEC school besides Vanderbilt. It's just obviously bad decisions like that which kill the program.

And then MSU hires someone like Mike Leach that has a good vision and is successful and wins at MSU but they want to blow that up because of selfish football ignorant reasons to go back to what didn't work before.

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The Leach effect is half the reason we are where we are. Dang give it up already. No one is against passing the football but the way Leach did it is how to kill a program in the SEC.

The formula to win in football ain't AR. Look at every NC team and contender forever - none ran AR. Football is easy - control LOS, good players, coaching, right attitude.

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Originally Posted by MBDawg601

Hiring Leach, who won here with a G5 qb set us back a decade?


Hiring first time head coaches has set us back 10 years. He is the only coach in recent history we have hired that can run a program. Most of the players from Leach have graduated or transferred out.

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G5 QB was Leach pick. He ran off Shrader. Leach recruiting is what dug us a hole. Those that preach we must change with the times hold on to Leach who held to 50-70 year old mentality how to manage a roster and 90s version of wishbone.

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

I think we see that this offseason honestly.

MSU needs to show more fan service too. Get the damn LED lights and stuff like that. Enough of "well we need to see what revenue sharing looks like". F that. And more of the interlocking MSU.

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I never understood how much of a difference the LED lights make until yesterday. I was in Oxford and let me tell you, their stadium atmosphere is MILES ahead of us. Number one, their fans damn nest stood the entire game and were engaged in what was going on. Number 2, the lights. They get everyone going. I mean they had 60-70 year olds dancing to Throw It Up. We have fans that threaten to pull their funding if we play any rap. They would rather hear Friends in Low Places or Redneck Yacht Club. Lastly, they let their fans on the field with time still remaining. We would have had University cops trying to arrest little kids had that been Mississippi State. It is just another way the administration actively tries to take the fun out of things. We have not flooded the field since 04. We should have flooded it AT LEAST 4 times since( 09 Egg Bowl, 13 Egg Bowl, 14 Auburn, 16 A&M) and hell you could throw in 17 LSU as well.

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

I never understood how much of a difference the LED lights make until yesterday. I was in Oxford and let me tell you, their stadium atmosphere is MILES ahead of us. Number one, their fans damn nest stood the entire game and were engaged in what was going on. Number 2, the lights. They get everyone going. I mean they had 60-70 year olds dancing to Throw It Up. We have fans that threaten to pull their funding if we play any rap. They would rather hear Friends in Low Places or Redneck Yacht Club. Lastly, they let their fans on the field with time still remaining. We would have had University cops trying to arrest little kids had that been Mississippi State. It is just another way the administration actively tries to take the fun out of things. We have not flooded the field since 04. We should have flooded it AT LEAST 4 times since( 09 Egg Bowl, 13 Egg Bowl, 14 Auburn, 16 A&M) and hell you could throw in 17 LSU as well.

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Although my kids are State fans, they would rather go to Ole Miss games because of how fun they are. If people don?t think bad leadership and football teams dont have any effect on the future of the program then you are completely wrong. For each year that is stagnant that is a whole group of younger fans (kids of alums) that will be uninterested in the future. You better move fast and smart, which has never been a strength of MState mentality. We are in a very very crucial and tough spot and we better manage it right or else

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Originally Posted by R2Dawg

The Leach effect is half the reason we are where we are. Dang give it up already. No one is against passing the football but the way Leach did it is how to kill a program in the SEC.

The formula to win in football ain't AR. Look at every NC team and contender forever - none ran AR. Football is easy - control LOS, good players, coaching, right attitude.

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There is something to this. Obviously there is the recruiting piece and his inability to recruit really at any position. I mean we say he cared about the QB position but outside of Sawyer Robertson( who he could never develop), who did he recruit that can play at the P5 level. And he did not recruit Will. Will signed with Moorhead. Locke looks bad at Wisconsin. Parson will transfer at the end of the year and that is it.

I also think there is a piece of it that Leach just never excited the fan base. Like yes he had some quotable moments, but everyone was never bought in. Ole Miss was all bought in on Kiffin from minute 1. We had about a 4 day period after the bandwagon video where everyone was bought in. That was gone by that Saturday night. Sometimes you have to believe that things are getting better, even if you cannot see them. Ole Miss did that and never really questioned Lane’s way of doing things.

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Originally Posted by msugolf

Although my kids are State fans, they would rather go to Ole Miss games because of how fun they are. If people don?t think bad leadership and football teams dont have any effect on the future of the program then you are completely wrong. For each year that is stagnant that is a whole group of younger fans (kids of alums) that will be uninterested in the future. You better move fast and smart, which has never been a strength of MState mentality. We are in a very very crucial and tough spot and we better manage it right or else

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If you were to place 100 non biased fans in both stadiums for a game, all 100 would choose Ole Miss. And that is before the game even begins.

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

I never understood how much of a difference the LED lights make until yesterday. I was in Oxford and let me tell you, their stadium atmosphere is MILES ahead of us. Number one, their fans damn nest stood the entire game and were engaged in what was going on. Number 2, the lights. They get everyone going. I mean they had 60-70 year olds dancing to Throw It Up. We have fans that threaten to pull their funding if we play any rap. They would rather hear Friends in Low Places or Redneck Yacht Club. Lastly, they let their fans on the field with time still remaining. We would have had University cops trying to arrest little kids had that been Mississippi State. It is just another way the administration actively tries to take the fun out of things. We have not flooded the field since 04. We should have flooded it AT LEAST 4 times since( 09 Egg Bowl, 13 Egg Bowl, 14 Auburn, 16 A&M) and hell you could throw in 17 LSU as well.

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If you truly understood the origins of rap you would detest it as most of us over 60 years old do. There is no redeeming quality about putting a cap in someone's a$$ or someone f**king your girl and knocking her up or another demeaning and disgusting lyrics they "sing". And no you do not have to sing some old broke leg country song either. Everybody screams that we do not have an identity, what ever happened to "Who let the Dawgs out" or "We Will Rock You" or "Know Your Enemy" or "Lets get it started" or "You ain't seen nothing yet" or some other catchy tune and also what happened to the Dawg Pound rock? That used to get fans stirred ups as well!

Also I do not go to sporting events to stand up the entire game - that is a European thing - soccer. That is why there is a stadium with seats! And regarding the lights, that is a wet behind the ears, young whipper snapper thing as us older folks don't care about that. It is a distraction from the intent of the event in the first place - football!

Give me a good coaching staff with quality players and I'm happy! The rest, as far as I'm concerned, is just putting lipstick on a pig! If your team is UGLY, the lipstick does not help!!

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Originally Posted by Leeshouldveflanked

Hell will come in 2025 when Ole Miss wins the Natty in Football in January, Jans leaves for Florida and Baseball finishes bottom 3rd of SEC and Lemonis signs an extension.

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This is our problem. Everyone says it?s leadership now it?s our own damn fans who have an inferiority complex. This type of shit is why you?ll always complain at Mississippi State. No one on the same page, everyone pointing the finger at another, etc.

You dudes wanna talk about firing coaches and we could be using that money to pay players. But the moral compass would rather us not pay players, play rap music, have just ?good ole boys?. Wake up, it?s not the 60s anymore. Mullen, Lemonis, Cann, Jans have all proven we can win here. And yes we have alums with deep pockets outside of Mississippi but we have yet to capitalize on how to keep those fans engaged. Hell I know two worth 10s of millions, who I know we don?t ask funds for. One has a daughter playing at a rival soccer program and we didn?t even call.

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Originally Posted by Extendedcab

If you truly understood the origins of rap you would detest it as most of us over 60 years old do. There is no redeeming quality about putting a cap in someone's a$$ or someone f**king your girl and knocking her up or another demeaning and disgusting lyrics they "sing". And no you do not have to sing some old broke leg country song either. Everybody screams that we do not have an identity, what ever happened to "Who let the Dawgs out" or "We Will Rock You" or "Know Your Enemy" or "Lets get it started" or "You ain't seen nothing yet" or some other catchy tune and also what happened to the Dawg Pound rock? That used to get fans stirred ups as well!

Also I do not go to sporting events to stand up the entire game - that is a European thing - soccer. That is why there is a stadium with seats! And regarding the lights, that is a wet behind the ears, young whipper snapper thing as us older folks don't care about that. It is a distraction from the intent of the event in the first place - football!

Give me a good coaching staff with quality players and I'm happy! The rest, as far as I'm concerned, is just putting lipstick on a pig! If your team is UGLY, the lipstick does not help!!

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Ah quality players. Rather good ole boys and get blown out but by God ?they?re good kids, stay out of trouble and play hard!?

Ask your grand kids what they listen to.

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Originally Posted by MBDawg601

Hiring Leach, who won here with a G5 qb set us back a decade?


Hiring first time head coaches has set us back 10 years. He is the only coach in recent history we have hired that can run a program. Most of the players from Leach have graduated or transferred out.

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No?ours fans not giving a shit and wanting to pay top dollar for every high ranked MS recruit as rated by On3 or 247 who winds up flopping is a big reason. Ever think about where our most significant NIL guys in baseball, football, and basketball on campus are from? I?ll give you a guess?central Mississippi. And only one has had a good return on investment and we have several million invested in him. Lot of pressure for a 5?10 guard.

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Originally Posted by Extendedcab

If you truly understood the origins of rap you would detest it as most of us over 60 years old do. There is no redeeming quality about putting a cap in someone's a$$ or someone f**king your girl and knocking her up or another demeaning and disgusting lyrics they "sing". And no you do not have to sing some old broke leg country song either. Everybody screams that we do not have an identity, what ever happened to "Who let the Dawgs out" or "We Will Rock You" or "Know Your Enemy" or "Lets get it started" or "You ain't seen nothing yet" or some other catchy tune and also what happened to the Dawg Pound rock? That used to get fans stirred ups as well!

Also I do not go to sporting events to stand up the entire game - that is a European thing - soccer. That is why there is a stadium with seats! And regarding the lights, that is a wet behind the ears, young whipper snapper thing as us older folks don't care about that. It is a distraction from the intent of the event in the first place - football!

Give me a good coaching staff with quality players and I'm happy! The rest, as far as I'm concerned, is just putting lipstick on a pig! If your team is UGLY, the lipstick does not help!!

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You do realize that most rap today isn?t about gangs, shooting or any of the other stuff you are ranting on about don?t you?

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Originally Posted by msugolf

You do realize that most rap today isn?t about gangs, shooting or any of the other stuff you are ranting on about don?t you?

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So is Snoop Dog your hero? Is that the best rap has to offer? I set my sights just a little higher than that, thank you!

You had a top 20 match up and they were winning against a top 5 team. Of course the atmosphere was better.
Yes we all know we need led lights. We needed them years ago.

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Originally Posted by Extendedcab

If you truly understood the origins of rap you would detest it as most of us over 60 years old do. There is no redeeming quality about putting a cap in someone's a$$ or someone f**king your girl and knocking her up or another demeaning and disgusting lyrics they "sing". And no you do not have to sing some old broke leg country song either. Everybody screams that we do not have an identity, what ever happened to "Who let the Dawgs out" or "We Will Rock You" or "Know Your Enemy" or "Lets get it started" or "You ain't seen nothing yet" or some other catchy tune and also what happened to the Dawg Pound rock? That used to get fans stirred ups as well!

Also I do not go to sporting events to stand up the entire game - that is a European thing - soccer. That is why there is a stadium with seats! And regarding the lights, that is a wet behind the ears, young whipper snapper thing as us older folks don't care about that. It is a distraction from the intent of the event in the first place - football!

Give me a good coaching staff with quality players and I'm happy! The rest, as far as I'm concerned, is just putting lipstick on a pig! If your team is UGLY, the lipstick does not help!!

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Typical MSU fan blue hair BS. I'm 52 and have been standing through most sporting events as long as I can remember. My high school band played rap hits in the stands in the 80s.

You should thrown in "bird hunts and first day of bow season are more important than football" and you would have covered all the MSU excuses.

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Originally Posted by msugolf

Although my kids are State fans, they would rather go to Ole Miss games because of how fun they are. If people don?t think bad leadership and football teams dont have any effect on the future of the program then you are completely wrong. For each year that is stagnant that is a whole group of younger fans (kids of alums) that will be uninterested in the future. You better move fast and smart, which has never been a strength of MState mentality. We are in a very very crucial and tough spot and we better manage it right or else

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I've been taking my daughter to MSU games since she's was 3. She has decided to go to OM because of the experience. Can't blame her honestly.

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Originally Posted by Extendedcab

If you truly understood the origins of rap you would detest it as most of us over 60 years old do. There is no redeeming quality about putting a cap in someone's a$$ or someone f**king your girl and knocking her up or another demeaning and disgusting lyrics they "sing". And no you do not have to sing some old broke leg country song either. Everybody screams that we do not have an identity, what ever happened to "Who let the Dawgs out" or "We Will Rock You" or "Know Your Enemy" or "Lets get it started" or "You ain't seen nothing yet" or some other catchy tune and also what happened to the Dawg Pound rock? That used to get fans stirred ups as well!

Also I do not go to sporting events to stand up the entire game - that is a European thing - soccer. That is why there is a stadium with seats! And regarding the lights, that is a wet behind the ears, young whipper snapper thing as us older folks don't care about that. It is a distraction from the intent of the event in the first place - football!

Give me a good coaching staff with quality players and I'm happy! The rest, as far as I'm concerned, is just putting lipstick on a pig! If your team is UGLY, the lipstick does not help!!

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This is a horrible mentality and very old school sounding, it's 2024, the young fan base especially wants to hear rap music, see the flashing lights, be very loud and the players want that too.

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Originally Posted by Extendedcab

If you truly understood the origins of rap you would detest it as most of us over 60 years old do. There is no redeeming quality about putting a cap in someone's a$$ or someone f**king your girl and knocking her up or another demeaning and disgusting lyrics they "sing". And no you do not have to sing some old broke leg country song either. Everybody screams that we do not have an identity, what ever happened to "Who let the Dawgs out" or "We Will Rock You" or "Know Your Enemy" or "Lets get it started" or "You ain't seen nothing yet" or some other catchy tune and also what happened to the Dawg Pound rock? That used to get fans stirred ups as well!

Also I do not go to sporting events to stand up the entire game - that is a European thing - soccer. That is why there is a stadium with seats! And regarding the lights, that is a wet behind the ears, young whipper snapper thing as us older folks don't care about that. It is a distraction from the intent of the event in the first place - football!

Give me a good coaching staff with quality players and I'm happy! The rest, as far as I'm concerned, is just putting lipstick on a pig! If your team is UGLY, the lipstick does not help!!

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You just do not get it. It is about adding to atmosphere and getting the people going. The lights do that, Throw It Up does that, having pump up stuff on the video board instead of honoring the Faculty of the game does that. PEOPLE BEING INVOLVED other than just ringing a damn cowbell does that. It is about giving people a reason to come back regardless of the final scoreboard. We do a shit job of that. I could care less of the song they use is Dreams And Nightmares by Meek Mill(which would be incredible tbh) or if they used Night Moves by Bob Seger. Just get something that gets everyone going and play it EVERY GAME. We had that with Don’t Stop Believing but people bitched and complained about it. Hell that was a tradition and people got into it.