Sunday Morning QB- We Are Bad Edition

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Originally Posted by Santiago

This did not start with Leach. I am not sure why the OP did that.
We have leadership issues which involve alumni, who pushed Cohen onto our program as AD .

He hired Jomo, and then tried to hire Joe Judge. He was arrogant , and our game day experiences diminished while other schools spent money in marketing and increasing the fan experience.
But I guess all is equal with him for getting those cheaper hot dogs ***

To start today's post as Arnet being a martyr for a defense he himself recruited in the first place is something else.

What turned me off from MSU football was last season at posters(only a few) here, and our Rosebowl and others promoting Arnett and the buddies hired.

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You are not wrong, it all tracks back to your first statement.

It comes down to this:

We are not committed to doing what needs to be done to elevate the program. We have people openly opposing NIL to help change things and therein lies the problem with our school. Unlike our friends in Oxford who are all in, we are not. We also have a fraction of boosters who live and die by certain players and have to have them on our roster (Blanton, RayDarius Jones, Kamari Rogers, etc) who we overpay for and they flat out suck. Blanton makes Jett Johnson look like Pete Werner..

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Originally Posted by Coursesuper

You are not wrong, it all tracks back to your first statement.

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Is there nothing we can do at this point? Get someone else to call plays on defense, change something on offense, etc.?

At this point we should be looking at the future. This season is over. Let's get some pt and experience coaches/ players, and so on. I agree of certain players aren't bought in them let them go. Work towards next year as we aren't making a bowl this year

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Originally Posted by Santiago

This did not start with Leach. I am not sure why the OP did that.
We have leadership issues which involve alumni, who pushed Cohen onto our program as AD .

He hired Jomo, and then tried to hire Joe Judge. He was arrogant , and our game day experiences diminished while other schools spent money in marketing and increasing the fan experience.
But I guess all is equal with him for getting those cheaper hot dogs ***

To start today's post as Arnet being a martyr for a defense he himself recruited in the first place is something else.

What turned me off from MSU football was last season at posters(only a few) here, and our Rosebowl and others promoting Arnett and the buddies hired.

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I did not see this prior to my post but it is 100% correct. We have the Mississippi ?good ole boy? problem. It has become more and more evident. There is a fraction that would rather give all money to baseball and nothing to anyone else. It?s why Jans wanted out, it?s apart why Vic left, it?s why Mullen left, etc. And you know what pays for that nice baseball stadium? Football and Basketball.

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Originally Posted by TheLostDawg

Is there nothing we can do at this point? Get someone else to call plays on defense, change something on offense, etc.?

At this point we should be looking at the future. This season is over. Let's get some pt and experience coaches/ players, and so on. I agree of certain players aren't bought in them let them go. Work towards next year as we aren't making a bowl this year

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You could call plays from the college football video game and do no worse.

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Originally Posted by TheLostDawg

Is there nothing we can do at this point? Get someone else to call plays on defense, change something on offense, etc.?

At this point we should be looking at the future. This season is over. Let's get some pt and experience coaches/ players, and so on. I agree of certain players aren't bought in them let them go. Work towards next year as we aren't making a bowl this year

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at this point they need to get speed on the field. I wish DeMonte Russell would come off the ball and deliver a blow to a tackle like he does Pikes at Two Brothers who spill a drink on him..

I?d drop Purvis and Jennings down to DEs and play Mitchell and Tillman at LB. John Lewis is Leo 2.0?got those stars by his recruiting profile because of hard hits but is always out of position.

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Originally Posted by BankerDog

It comes down to this:

We are not committed to doing what needs to be done to elevate the program. We have people openly opposing NIL to help change things and therein lies the problem with our school. Unlike our friends in Oxford who are all in, we are not. We also have a fraction of boosters who live and die by certain players and have to have them on our roster (Blanton, RayDarius Jones, Kamari Rogers, etc) who we overpay for and they flat out suck. Blanton makes Jett Johnson look like Pete Werner..

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We've never been committed. Ever.
We let boosters can our best coach in history in the 1940s for going .500. Once. We ran off 2 future HOF coaches because we refused to invest in football. We allowed ourselves to be an SEC punching bag from the mid 50s until the mid 70s by tolerating things like having to play Bama somewhere in Alabama 20 times in a row while Ole Miss got to count Memphis as a league game. We laid down when the NCAA came after Tyler and Jackie. We sold home games and rarely played on campus so Starkville never grew nor did our facilities. And our Cigar Boys throughout that have always been about themselves and access and made Horrid decisions with their influence.

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Originally Posted by BrunswickDawg

We've never been committed. Ever.
We let boosters can our best coach in history in the 1940s for going .500. Once. We ran off 2 future HOF coaches because we refused to invest in football. We allowed ourselves to be an SEC punching bag from the mid 50s until the mid 70s by tolerating things like having to play Bama somewhere in Alabama 20 times in a row while Ole Miss got to count Memphis as a league game. We laid down when the NCAA came after Tyler and Jackie. We sold home games and rarely played on campus so Starkville never grew nor did our facilities. And our Cigar Boys throughout that have always been about themselves and access and made Horrid decisions with their influence.

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You nailed it.

23 straight years playing in Baton Rouge. I still cant believe that

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Originally Posted by BrunswickDawg

We've never been committed. Ever.
We let boosters can our best coach in history in the 1940s for going .500. Once. We ran off 2 future HOF coaches because we refused to invest in football. We allowed ourselves to be an SEC punching bag from the mid 50s until the mid 70s by tolerating things like having to play Bama somewhere in Alabama 20 times in a row while Ole Miss got to count Memphis as a league game. We laid down when the NCAA came after Tyler and Jackie. We sold home games and rarely played on campus so Starkville never grew nor did our facilities. And our Cigar Boys throughout that have always been about themselves and access and made Horrid decisions with their influence.

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I must spread some rep.

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

He has been gone two years. You can flip a roster in one. This staff didn't do that. And yes Cohen was a bad AD but if he was in charge when Leach passes he probably hires Hugh Freeze and we move forward.

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This would have been a best case scenario for State. Hugh comes in with a burr up his ass towards Ole Miss and reignites the rivalry. Steve, the 1960's level Hippy, Robertson gets run off from the program. The money guys are told to pay up for athletics are get the hell out!

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Originally Posted by Coach34

The HC is always The Closer

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Which is why Dan was so much better at recruiting defense.**

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Originally Posted by BankerDog

at this point they need to get speed on the field. I wish DeMonte Russell would come off the ball and deliver a blow to a tackle like he does Pikes at Two Brothers who spill a drink on him..

I?d drop Purvis and Jennings down to DEs and play Mitchell and Tillman at LB. John Lewis is Leo 2.0?got those stars by his recruiting profile because of hard hits but is always out of position.

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I would play Gayten at running back, rotate in Stonka, Harrell, and SanFrisco at WR, and then start Head, Dinkins, McClendon, and Trevion on the DL.

Yeah they're not ready. But at least by playing them we get them some SEC experience. And we would show recruits that we're not afraid to play freshmen right away. And even if they are worse than what we are putting on the field now the result is still the same.

Linebackers need to be Purvis, Jennings, and DonTerry.

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Originally Posted by CaptainObvious

This would have been a best case scenario for State. Hugh comes in with a burr up his ass towards Ole Miss and reignites the rivalry. Steve, the 1960's level Hippy, Robertson gets run off from the program. The money guys are told to pay up for athletics are get the hell out!

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I can't believe I forgot about the Steve Robertson vs Hugh Freeze phone record thing. LOL.

Yeah. That would have been awkward at first.

Leach never had top rated recruiting classes anywhere he went.

He did however find ways to win. That's why he should be a HOF coach. He did more with less than any other coach. Basically the perfect MSU coach for what we do.

Unfortunately he passed and now we don't have high rated recruits which these coaches we hired have no idea what do to with since they are used to coaching 4-5 stars.

What concerns me on the field is the lack of effort. Some of that is on the players that need to have their NIL money in jeopardy if that's the case. If it's coaching then we need to fix that too.

Croom's defense would destroy this offense right now. That was something MSU always had even when our offense was horrible. We don't even have that now.

I think NIL should be performance based. You get a base amount then say you're a receiver you get more $ for completed passes or $ removed for fumbles etc. If a defensive player gets a sack he makes extra $, but if a lost tackle leads to a long run that's $ deducted.

What we have now is a team of mercenaries getting paid for very poor effort.

I do feel like Lebby is trying to get a handle on things with the dismissal of 3 players this season so far. If it takes a full cleansing to remove the cancer from the team I'm all for that.

We need a real defensive coordinator though.

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Originally Posted by Coach34

6. We lack talent defensively. DL and LB are simply not very good. It's really hard to judge the DC in a fair way based on the talent we are putting on the field. Not only that- we are f'ing soft. We kept having guys hurt after tackling players from mf'ing Toledo. Toledo beat us up yesterday. Toledo. Not SEC. NOT SEC. Toledo.

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Coach, what's going on in our S&C department? You know as well as I do that toughness is largely built by the S&C staff. What kind of sissies do we have running S&C to be this soft? Any rumblings about overhauling it to fix the problem?

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Originally Posted by War Machine Dawg

Coach, what's going on in our S&C department? You know as well as I do that toughness is largely built by the S&C staff. What kind of sissies do we have running S&C to be this soft? Any rumblings about overhauling it to fix the problem?

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We need to hire Aaron Feld.

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

Which is why Dan was so much better at recruiting defense.**

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Somebody was- because Mullen had a new DC every other year

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Originally Posted by War Machine Dawg

Coach, what's going on in our S&C department? You know as well as I do that toughness is largely built by the S&C staff. What kind of sissies do we have running S&C to be this soft? Any rumblings about overhauling it to fix the problem?

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I havent heard about any S&C issues. We look ok but damn- we just dont bring the thunder. We play like we are made of plastic

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

One thing is for damn sure- he would have won more than five last year and he would have beaten Toledo.

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Like he beat Memphis?

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Originally Posted by RezDog7

Like he beat Memphis?

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Absolutely terrible comparison.

• Memphis is a better program than Toledo.
• The Memphis game was on the road.
• We only lost to Memphis by 2 points.
• We outgained Memphis by over 200 yards and had 0 turnovers
• There was a very questionable refereeing error (the referee waved his arms, which is the same as blowing the whistle) on Memphis's big punt return. There's no way to prove that we win if that doesn't happen, but we probably do.
• Memphis did not completely dominate us on the lines of scrimmage like Toledo did.

Should SEC programs lose to G5 programs ever? No. But there's a huge difference in taking a loss to one under fluky and bizarre circumstances (several Power Five/Four programs do that every year) and getting completely curb-stomped by one (something that rarely happens to any Power conference program).