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09-13-2024, 09:00 AM
StarkVegasSteve

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Originally Posted by Ezsoil

With 5 head coaches and over 40 assistants in just over 7 years .... firing coaches is always the answer...

Dan-left
Joe-lost control of team. Cheating scandal and starting MLB punched out starting QB
Leach-died
Arnett-awful coach and had no control over team. Also lied to the administration, fanbase, and players

I mean would you really have wanted to keep Moorhead or Arnett???? Firing coaches isn't always the answer but it sure as hell was in the two instances we did it.
09-13-2024, 09:17 AM
TrapGame

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

Dan-left
Joe-lost control of team. Cheating scandal and starting MLB punched out starting QB
Leach-died
Arnett-awful coach and had no control over team. Also lied to the administration, fanbase, and players

I mean would you really have wanted to keep Moorhead or Arnett???? Firing coaches isn't always the answer but it sure as hell was in the two instances we did it.

Rumor was Sark wanted our job before we hired Leach. If that's true we royally screwed the pooch.
09-13-2024, 09:32 AM
Cooterpoot

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

Dan-left
Joe-lost control of team. Cheating scandal and starting MLB punched out starting QB
Leach-died
Arnett-awful coach and had no control over team. Also lied to the administration, fanbase, and players

I mean would you really have wanted to keep Moorhead or Arnett???? Firing coaches isn't always the answer but it sure as hell was in the two instances we did it.

And Leach recruiting was worse than a dumpster fire
09-13-2024, 09:50 AM
StarkVegasSteve

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Originally Posted by TrapGame

Rumor was Sark wanted our job before we hired Leach. If that's true we royally screwed the pooch.

Look who was doing the hiring......hell we were going to hire Joe Judge until the Giants saved our ass. I don't know that Sark wanted the job, but I know he was interviewed.

I mean we truly backdoored into Leach.
09-13-2024, 10:13 AM
StarkVegasSteve

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Originally Posted by Cooterpoot

And Leach recruiting was worse than a dumpster fire

His recruiting had its flaws, but he kept us relevant. Leach's biggest flaw and greatest strength were the same thing. He didn't need superior athletes to beat you with his system. He also openly loathed defense so we were never going to be great defensive recruiting wise under him. However, we still got some dudes. Missing on all the talent we did last year in recruiting and the portal set us back. Also not being more active in the portal in the offseason between 22 and 23
09-13-2024, 11:09 AM
Goldendawg

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

His recruiting had its flaws, but he kept us relevant. Leach's biggest flaw and greatest strength were the same thing. He didn't need superior athletes to beat you with his system. He also openly loathed defense so we were never going to be great defensive recruiting wise under him. However, we still got some dudes. Missing on all the talent we did last year in recruiting and the portal set us back. Also not being more active in the portal in the offseason between 22 and 23

Pre-portal connected friend of mine stated that post Leach (before his tragic passing), that it would take 5 years to rebuild the team from his scheme. Arnett disaster didn't help either. Lebby inherited a gutted, lack of SEC talent roster and our portal haul last year was rushed and very questionable, especially on "D".
09-13-2024, 11:17 AM
StarkVegasSteve

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Originally Posted by Goldendawg

Pre-portal connected friend of mine stated that post Leach (before his tragic passing), that it would take 5 years to rebuild the team from his scheme. Arnett disaster didn't help either. Lebby inherited a gutted, lack of SEC talent roster and our portal haul last year was rushed and very questionable, especially on "D".

Pre Portal that is/was correct. I mean you either have to hire another AR guy or commit to a completely full rebuild. The completely full rebuild is where we were heading with Arnett.
09-13-2024, 11:25 AM
BankerDog

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Originally Posted by Goldendawg

Pre-portal connected friend of mine stated that post Leach (before his tragic passing), that it would take 5 years to rebuild the team from his scheme. Arnett disaster didn't help either. Lebby inherited a gutted, lack of SEC talent roster and our portal haul last year was rushed and very questionable, especially on "D".

Taking Ole Miss Route?pay the offense first and show life then focus on defense. If we didn?t have so many people openly oppose to how the game is played, we may be able to have had some extra funds to go get some dudes on the DL. A good starting DL in the SEC is at least $375K. But some of our fans would rather have little Bobby Jo from Academy because his daddy was at the school at the same time as me and is a good fella. Does things the right way.
09-13-2024, 11:30 AM
StarkVegasSteve

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Originally Posted by BankerDog

Taking Ole Miss Route?pay the offense first and show life then focus on defense. If we didn?t have so many people openly oppose to how the game is played, we may be able to have had some extra funds to go get some dudes on the DL. A good starting DL in the SEC is at least $375K. But some of our fans would rather have little Bobby Jo from Academy because his daddy was at the school at the same time as me and is a good fella. Does things the right way.

BINGO. You have to play the game now. Like I've said before, I've lost the battle on saying that you can't complain if you don't donate but when people say we have a talent deficiency there's a fix to it. Lebby has the right idea though. Get the offense right and then we'll figure out the defense.
09-13-2024, 12:11 PM
HoopsDawg

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Originally Posted by BulldogBear

You don't need two high safeties for a team that doesn't throw the ball. I still can't believe it took us 40 minutes to figure that one out. And then we still went back to it with the game on the line.

Yep, went back to it on the 2nd and long play on ASU's last drive. It prevented us from getting the ball back. Just really stupid.
09-13-2024, 01:16 PM
maroonmania

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Originally Posted by Goldendawg

Pre-portal connected friend of mine stated that post Leach (before his tragic passing), that it would take 5 years to rebuild the team from his scheme. Arnett disaster didn't help either. Lebby inherited a gutted, lack of SEC talent roster and our portal haul last year was rushed and very questionable, especially on "D".

And Lebby didn't help himself with the no name inexperienced DC hire. Our defensive portal recruiting was beyond awful in Lebby's first year for a team that had starter jobs open all over the place.
09-13-2024, 01:24 PM
Homedawg

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Originally Posted by TrapGame

Rumor was Sark wanted our job before we hired Leach. If that's true we royally screwed the pooch.

i would never have hired CML. told the people involved i wouldn't. W that said, sark would have been here a year and gone.
09-13-2024, 01:26 PM
Pancho

bet lotta DL momma's gettin more than a new double wide for 375K a season.......
09-13-2024, 01:34 PM
TrapGame

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Originally Posted by Homedawg

i would never have hired CML. told the people involved i wouldn't. W that said, sark would have been here a year and gone.

I agree but more like two years b/c 2020 really didn't count. 2021 we would have been riding high and he would have bolted.
09-13-2024, 01:45 PM
Ezsoil

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Originally Posted by maroonmania

And Lebby didn't help himself with the no name inexperienced DC hire. Our defensive portal recruiting was beyond awful in Lebby's first year for a team that had starter jobs open all over the place.

And you think a big name DC wants to come here? There are two options at MSU ...take a chance on an unproven coach or a retread with baggage .....pick your poison...both have pluses and minuses.....I'd rather take my chance with a young hungry guy than a guy looking to pad his retirement.
09-13-2024, 01:49 PM
MBDawg601

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Originally Posted by Homedawg

i would never have hired CML. told the people involved i wouldn't. W that said, sark would have been here a year and gone.

Had Leach lived, we would be in the same boat as Ole Miss right now. But you wouldn't have hired him? Come on man...
09-13-2024, 01:49 PM
gtowndawg

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Originally Posted by BankerDog

But some of our fans would rather have little Bobby Jo from Academy.

Bobby Jo plays with heart and he's tough! Espcially for a 5'10" 192 lb defensive end!
09-13-2024, 01:55 PM
TrapGame

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Originally Posted by Ezsoil

And you think a big name DC wants to come here? There are two options at MSU ...take a chance on an unproven coach or a retread with baggage .....pick your poison...both have pluses and minuses.....I'd rather take my chance with a young hungry guy than a guy looking to pad his retirement.

We don't need a big name DC just someone who has enough experience to load a ****ing box. There are several experienced G5 DCs running really good defenses for the G5 level that would have walked to Starkville for an interview.
09-13-2024, 01:57 PM
MBDawg601

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Originally Posted by TrapGame

We don't need a big name DC just someone who has enough experience to load a ****ing box. There are several experienced G5 DCs running really good defenses for the G5 level that would have walked to Starkville for an interview.

Walked to Starkville.. top 5 comment.
09-13-2024, 01:58 PM
StarkVegasSteve

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Originally Posted by gtowndawg

Bobby Jo plays with heart and he's tough! Espcially for a 5'10" 192 lb defensive end!

Bobby Jo is a 5'11 WR that runs a 5.3 flat in the 40. "But he catches it every time!!"

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