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08-05-2024, 01:57 PM
confucius say

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Originally Posted by Coach34

My biggest concern is that yeah- we will play fast and have some guys on offense. Offense has been totally rebuilt from 2 years ago when it was Airbone. But:

We dont have the dudes defensively. By playing fast we are going to make our defense play more plays. We'll get worn down. We'll get injured. We'll have guys playing on D that just arent mid-level or better SEC guys in the 4th Q. The worry is alot of late collapses or pull aways in games.

Yep. Better outscore people.
08-05-2024, 02:17 PM
BorneDawg

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Originally Posted by Goldendawg

6-6 floor and 7-5 ceiling. OOC is usual cupcakes. We are not the only SEC team rebuilding through the portal or coming off a bad/mediocre year. Coaches that can turn 40 or even more portal individuals into a team quickly will be successful nationwide and I think Lebby knows how to play this new game. Mark me excited! Hail State!

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Goldendawg again.
08-05-2024, 02:57 PM
99jc

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Originally Posted by RockyDog

That is part of what is wrong historically with MSU. Our fans fall so in love with a coach that they equate a few winning seasons to lifetime security. With Jackie, things started going off the rails and we continued to give him more seasons to see if it would change. Same with Polk 2 and Bury. Fans get all emotional and it makes moving on a much bigger challenge than it needs to be.

We also have a segment of the fan base that thinks "the media" is gonna be mad with big ol MSU if we fire a coach. Most sane fans knew after season 2 of Crooms that it wasn?t gonna work yet we let that clown stick around for 5 seasons and even spelled out his damn name with the band after an exhilarating 10-3 pounding of mighty UCF.

MSU fans have got to stop with this way of thinking. College football is a business. Coaches are burning out and retiring younger and younger, so the odds of having a coach stick around 5 or more seasons is drastically less than it was in the last several decades. What you really need to concentrate on is making sure that you continue to employ ADs that have a sack and are willing to make big boy decisions

I actually agree with you. I never Liked Jackie and never will.
08-05-2024, 03:34 PM
hailmari

I?m a little gun shy on predictions this year due to being too optimistic last year and because I remember how our last up and comer offensive genius HC hire went. With that said, last year?s sorry af team won 5, and I refuse to believe we?ll be worse this year. Average 33ppg and just have an okay defense, we will hit 6 or 7 wins.
08-05-2024, 03:45 PM
StarkVegasSteve

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Originally Posted by hailmari

I?m a little gun shy on predictions this year due to being too optimistic last year and because I remember how our last up and comer offensive genius HC hire went. With that said, last year?s sorry af team won 5, and I refuse to believe we?ll be worse this year. Average 33ppg and just have an okay defense, we will hit 6 or 7 wins.

So just avg 33 ppg, which would've been good for 3rd in the conference last year, with a much tougher schedule. Going to be a hell of a lot tougher than it sounds. Doable? Maybe. But far from any type of certainty
08-05-2024, 05:15 PM
parabrave

With Transfer portal no one really knows/
08-05-2024, 05:43 PM
somebodyshotmypaw

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Originally Posted by Coach34

My biggest concern is that yeah- we will play fast and have some guys on offense. Offense has been totally rebuilt from 2 years ago when it was Airbone. But:

We dont have the dudes defensively. By playing fast we are going to make our defense play more plays. We'll get worn down. We'll get injured. We'll have guys playing on D that just arent mid-level or better SEC guys in the 4th Q. The worry is alot of late collapses or pull aways in games.

I agree. Leach threw the ball, but it was still ball control and a slow offensive tempo which allowed the D to rest. If Lebby plays tempo, you can put the D back on the field quickly.
08-05-2024, 05:46 PM
DEDawg

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Originally Posted by hailmari

I?m a little gun shy on predictions this year due to being too optimistic last year and because I remember how our last up and comer offensive genius HC hire went. With that said, last year?s sorry af team won 5, and I refuse to believe we?ll be worse this year. Average 33ppg and just have an okay defense, we will hit 6 or 7 wins.

Do you realize how hard it will be to avg 33? I think 26-28 range is realistic
08-05-2024, 09:40 PM
MoreCowbell

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Originally Posted by RockyDog

That is part of what is wrong historically with MSU. Our fans fall so in love with a coach that they equate a few winning seasons to lifetime security. With Jackie, things started going off the rails and we continued to give him more seasons to see if it would change. Same with Polk 2 and Bury. Fans get all emotional and it makes moving on a much bigger challenge than it needs to be.

We also have a segment of the fan base that thinks "the media" is gonna be mad with big ol MSU if we fire a coach. Most sane fans knew after season 2 of Crooms that it wasn?t gonna work yet we let that clown stick around for 5 seasons and even spelled out his damn name with the band after an exhilarating 10-3 pounding of mighty UCF.

MSU fans have got to stop with this way of thinking. College football is a business. Coaches are burning out and retiring younger and younger, so the odds of having a coach stick around 5 or more seasons is drastically less than it was in the last several decades. What you really need to concentrate on is making sure that you continue to employ ADs that have a sack and are willing to make big boy decisions

I agree with you, not sure what it has to do with my comment though. I thought it was obvious tounge in cheek because 7-8 wins is a pipe dream for this year.
08-06-2024, 01:08 AM
Todd4State

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Originally Posted by Coach34

My biggest concern is that yeah- we will play fast and have some guys on offense. Offense has been totally rebuilt from 2 years ago when it was Airbone. But:

We dont have the dudes defensively. By playing fast we are going to make our defense play more plays. We'll get worn down. We'll get injured. We'll have guys playing on D that just arent mid-level or better SEC guys in the 4th Q. The worry is alot of late collapses or pull aways in games.

The thing is we don't always have to play at Nascar speed. If we have a lead I'm sure we'll slow it down some and run the ball late.

That was Ole Miss's game plan for years. Strike quick and fast and build a 14-21 point lead. And then try to build on to the lead as much as you can and hold on for dear life. As you know teams can get out of sorts if they get down quickly.

And I'm not saying you're wrong. I remember Ole Miss/LSU 2022 where Ole Miss got out to like a 21 point lead I think it was and then ended up getting completely blown out. I think they even led at halftime. The thing about that is though even if you lose, losing 56-28 seems to create a perception that you are a better team than had you lost 56-7. The reality is LSU was at home, had superior talent- they just had to adjust after they got punched in the face. Sometimes Ole Miss holds on for dear life and it goes their way too.

I know when Lebby was at Oklahoma they got into several shootouts because their defense wasn't all that great. So it's something he is used to dealing with.
08-08-2024, 08:30 AM
BuckyIsAB****

The secondary is the biggest surprise of camp so far.

Mario Craver is going to be a name for everyone knows by the bye week
08-08-2024, 08:45 AM
SPDawgs

Word from camp is that offense is looking terrible because the quarterbacks can't complete a pass. Have a buddy that works closely with the team and he said Weir who I am not even sure is on scholarship was the only QB completing even simple passes. I am hoping that it is just early and they are getting the scheme together but that for sure does not sound promising.
08-08-2024, 08:49 AM
CaptainObvious

There is a rumor that he has recruited the male cheerleaders to lift out receivers like they do the female cheerleaders so they can catch the passes being thrown their way.
08-08-2024, 08:50 AM
Brobi-wan

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Originally Posted by BuckyIsAB****

The secondary is the biggest surprise of camp so far.

Mario Craver is going to be a name for everyone knows by the bye week

Good surprise or bad surprise?
08-08-2024, 08:51 AM
CaptainObvious

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Originally Posted by Brobi-wan

Good surprise or bad surprise?

Ha! Success by this secondary means the offense sucks in the passing game. Unless you mean the secondary is making great tackles 15 yards downfield.

Added since this is about predictions

16-0 with our first Football NC since 1941!!!!
08-08-2024, 09:23 AM
confucius say

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Originally Posted by BuckyIsAB****

The secondary is the biggest surprise of camp so far.

Mario Craver is going to be a name for everyone knows by the bye week

That could also mean our passing game sucks...
Sorry for the negativity
08-08-2024, 10:14 AM
maroonmania

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Originally Posted by SPDawgs

Word from camp is that offense is looking terrible because the quarterbacks can't complete a pass. Have a buddy that works closely with the team and he said Weir who I am not even sure is on scholarship was the only QB completing even simple passes. I am hoping that it is just early and they are getting the scheme together but that for sure does not sound promising.

Shapen looked pretty accurate and smooth during the Spring game. Have we regressed that much in 4 months?
08-08-2024, 10:19 AM
TrapGame

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Originally Posted by SPDawgs

Word from camp is that offense is looking terrible because the quarterbacks can't complete a pass. Have a buddy that works closely with the team and he said Weir who I am not even sure is on scholarship was the only QB completing even simple passes. I am hoping that it is just early and they are getting the scheme together but that for sure does not sound promising.

Having watched the spring game I do not believe a word of that.

Rosebowl says we will have some surprises. Defense not as bad as everything thinks. He never mentioned anything about an offensive cluster**** going on. He said 6-6 is a real possibility but everyone needs to tone down the 8-4 or better talk on some of the message boards.
08-08-2024, 10:21 AM
StarkVegasSteve

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Originally Posted by TrapGame

Having watched the spring game I do not believe a word of that.

Rosebowl says we will have some surprises. Defense not as bad as everything thinks. He never mentioned anything about an offensive cluster**** going on. He said 6-6 is a real possibility but everyone needs to tone down the 8-4 or better talk on some of the message boards.

If we win 8 games then Lebby will be the UNQUESTIONED SEC coach of the year and probably national coach of the year. It would also mean Shapen stayed healthy and played out of his mind.
08-08-2024, 10:45 AM
maroonmania

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

If we win 8 games then Lebby will be the UNQUESTIONED SEC coach of the year and probably national coach of the year. It would also mean Shapen stayed healthy and played out of his mind.

Agree, even if we win every game we play against unranked teams we would only be 6-6. All of other 6 opponents are in the Top 20 of the AFCA Coaches preseason poll.

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