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07-13-2024, 06:05 PM
Offshore Dawg

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Originally Posted by Young dawg

With the big 12 looking to expand and keep up with the other conferences, what SEC teams could yall see them going after?

Do any of us really give a shit what that conference wants to do.
07-13-2024, 07:42 PM
DownwardDawg

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Originally Posted by CaptainObvious

What is your reasoning for "every team is safe"? Because the big boys will always need someone to whip up on for those guaranteed wins? Those days ended with NIL and Free-Agency. The SEC does not need the have nots. The have nots need the SEC, The conference just adding to more Haves to that Voting Block. Once the Super Division is formed, there will be no need for whipping boys. It will be like the NFL. A team could have 4 losses and win a NC because of RPI or whatever computer data they will be using.

State has one hope to survive a big big move by the Elites! A couple of Billionaire benefactors who don't give a crap about Academics, but just want to have winning Athletics programs!

While the Elites were building temples to the Football Programand Shrines for players and coaches. State was building parking lots for the band hall and a short cut from "The Spaceship" to Collegeview, eliminating another Parking area close to the Athletics facilities. Instead of building parking areas closer to Athletics facilities, State is making "Green Spaces" for the "Flower Children" to sit in and braid Clover Hair Bands!

No charter member can be removed by vote or any other means. Now, I guess they could completely dissolve the SEC then start over. But that would be an extremely bold move.
07-13-2024, 08:24 PM
Coursesuper

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Originally Posted by CaptainObvious

What is your reasoning for "every team is safe"? Because the big boys will always need someone to whip up on for those guaranteed wins? Those days ended with NIL and Free-Agency. The SEC does not need the have nots. The have nots need the SEC, The conference just adding to more Haves to that Voting Block. Once the Super Division is formed, there will be no need for whipping boys. It will be like the NFL. A team could have 4 losses and win a NC because of RPI or whatever computer data they will be using.

State has one hope to survive a big big move by the Elites! A couple of Billionaire benefactors who don't give a crap about Academics, but just want to have winning Athletics programs!

While the Elites were building temples to the Football Programand Shrines for players and coaches. State was building parking lots for the band hall and a short cut from "The Spaceship" to Collegeview, eliminating another Parking area close to the Athletics facilities. Instead of building parking areas closer to Athletics facilities, State is making "Green Spaces" for the "Flower Children" to sit in and braid Clover Hair Bands!

Some of what you say is true, but the last part is not and the parking that was eliminated is being replaced with a larger lot on the other side of McArthur. Maybe you to find need a better grasp of how state funding and grants work as opposed to athletics spending for facilities, which are vastly different. Some private donors will say this is what my $$ goes to and you can?t argue with that. I?m not saying that all is perfect but we are definitely doing more with less. That part will never change.
07-13-2024, 08:25 PM
StateDawg44

A&M
07-13-2024, 10:27 PM
CaptainObvious

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Originally Posted by Coursesuper

Some of what you say is true, but the last part is not and the parking that was eliminated is being replaced with a larger lot on the other side of McArthur. Maybe you to find need a better grasp of how state funding and grants work as opposed to athletics spending for facilities, which are vastly different. Some private donors will say this is what my $$ goes to and you can?t argue with that. I?m not saying that all is perfect but we are definitely doing more with less. That part will never change.

I guess I go back to my main point then. We need a couple of Billionaire supporters of Athletics who will designate the kind of money to Athletics that our 2 most recent donors designated for Academics only.
07-14-2024, 08:52 AM
Offshore Dawg

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Originally Posted by CaptainObvious

I guess I go back to my main point then. We need a couple of Billionaire supporters of Athletics who will designate the kind of money to Athletics that our 2 most recent donors designated for Academics only.

This is the underlining Theam with MSU anything. People always want somebody else to pay for it.
07-14-2024, 09:23 AM
CaptainObvious

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Originally Posted by Offshore Dawg

This is the underlining Theam with MSU anything. People always want somebody else to pay for it.

So you are saying the nickel and dimers are paying for all the NIL success the BlueBloods and a few wealthy second level programs are having? Surely you aren't that naive.
07-15-2024, 11:47 AM
The Federalist Engineer

The End of the modern SEC will be when Texas, Alabama, Georgia, and Florida leave the SEC for a new Super Conference or the Super Big 10. They will then give Auburn, LSU, TAM, and Tennessee a chance to leave with them with lesser terms.

Then the "SEC" will become:

Arkansas, Missouri, Kentucky, Vandy, MSU, OM, South Carolina.

We will be left to fight for scraps of the ACC implosion like Louisville, Virginia, Virginia Tech, Georgia Tech, and NC State.

May not be that bad
07-15-2024, 02:26 PM
Coursesuper

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Originally Posted by The Federalist Engineer

The End of the modern SEC will be when Texas, Alabama, Georgia, and Florida leave the SEC for a new Super Conference or the Super Big 10. They will then give Auburn, LSU, TAM, and Tennessee a chance to leave with them with lesser terms.

Then the "SEC" will become:

Arkansas, Missouri, Kentucky, Vandy, MSU, OM, South Carolina.

We will be left to fight for scraps of the ACC implosion like Louisville, Virginia, Virginia Tech, Georgia Tech, and NC State.

May not be that bad

I could actually see that happening.
07-15-2024, 03:07 PM
The Federalist Engineer

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Originally Posted by Coursesuper

I could actually see that happening.

That's how National Soccer leagues in Europe were going to change. All the bigger Clubs were going to make a super league and leave their home leagues. No longer play versus the smaller clubs in England, just have a league of the most prestigious teams in Europe.

But...

The fans went crazy. The Manchester United fans, for example, did not want their club to leave England and become a corporate European club. The police and governments advised the clubs they could not protect their physical property from rioters. Then one country or National League said the rouge clubs could not use their local city affiliation if they left the national league. Like "Manchester City" and "Manchester United" would then only be "City" and "United" and someone else could just pickup the brand and colors. In a world with no political unity, the European Super League united everybody to crush Wall Street Hedge funds, Russian Oligarchs, Saudi Sovereign Funds, and Media Conglomerates.

Nutty...

Imagine that the Alabama legislature renamed "UAB" as the "University of Alabama" and "Crimson Tide" and made the rouge school become "Tuscaloosa State Co-educational Polytech Institute". I wonder who actually owns the Marketing Rights for the public SEC colleges? I'm not saying Bama fans would support the other SEC fanbases like Manchester United fans, I think they would just piss on our grave. The European soccer fans stayed united, it was going full French Revolution, with the fans of the big-clubs leading the Revolution.

Link: https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/22/s...ue-soccer.html
07-15-2024, 03:12 PM
viverlibre

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Originally Posted by The Federalist Engineer

The End of the modern SEC will be when Texas, Alabama, Georgia, and Florida leave the SEC for a new Super Conference or the Super Big 10. They will then give Auburn, LSU, TAM, and Tennessee a chance to leave with them with lesser terms.

Then the "SEC" will become:

Arkansas, Missouri, Kentucky, Vandy, MSU, OM, South Carolina.

We will be left to fight for scraps of the ACC implosion like Louisville, Virginia, Virginia Tech, Georgia Tech, and NC State.

May not be that bad

You really think Bama, UF and UGA are going to leave a very good position, where they call the shots and join a conference with TOSU, Michigan, USC, etc., where they have to "share" power.

That's not happening.

There's absolutely no reason for them to do that. The new era of CFB will 60ish teams. The SEC/BIG 10 may add a team or two, but for the most part stay the same. The ACC/BIG 12 will have a seat at the kid's table, they'll be part of it, but have little say in what happens. They'll be happy to just be included.

There're won't be a ton of changes at the top for 5 years or so when the ACC buyout drops low enough it will make sense to pay it to leave.
07-15-2024, 03:43 PM
TrapGame

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Originally Posted by StateDawg44

A&M

That's the rumor.

Supposedly they think getting into the upper tier of the playoff echelon will be easier in the Big12.

And they didn't want Texas in the SEC.
07-15-2024, 05:28 PM
The Federalist Engineer

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Originally Posted by TrapGame

That's the rumor.

Supposedly they think getting into the upper tier of the playoff echelon will be easier in the Big12.

And they didn't want Texas in the SEC.

Bye, rather have Texas anyway. You can get a direct flight to Austin, plus the Burrito places.

Replace TAM with North Carolina and Duke. Invite both.
07-15-2024, 06:57 PM
viverlibre

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Originally Posted by The Federalist Engineer

Bye, rather have Texas anyway. You can get a direct flight to Austin, plus the Burrito places.

Replace TAM with North Carolina and Duke. Invite both.

A&M's not going anywhere. You don't go backward, that's just silly.

We're still several years away from any ACC teams being able to leave.
07-15-2024, 10:21 PM
SpaceBully

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Originally Posted by coachnorm

If Disney determines Vanderbilt is a financial liability, Disney will properly dispose of the dead weight. Big money is being invested for a ROI. Insofar as MisTsissippi State is concerned, MSU can be considered a top 40 program for the Power2 model and will be safe from relegation. The same is probably in effect for Rutgers in the BIG. We are heading to an NFC vs AFC model. That is a monetary not sports model as I see it.

Then that means we become the new Vandy.
07-15-2024, 10:25 PM
SpaceBully

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Originally Posted by CaptainObvious

If the SEC walks away from the "have nots", in the current set up I don't even think the Big 12 would take the SEC leftovers. The leftovers(State included) will eventually be G6.

Yeah...we'd join Memphis in the AAC.
07-17-2024, 10:22 AM
Jack Lambert

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Originally Posted by TrapGame

That's the rumor.

Supposedly they think getting into the upper tier of the playoff echelon will be easier in the Big12.

And they didn't want Texas in the SEC.

It is the easiest path to the playoff. BYU will be in the play off before many SEC teams that BYU could not beat in that same year they make the playoff.
07-17-2024, 11:01 AM
CaptainObvious

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Originally Posted by Jack Lambert

It is the easiest path to the playoff. BYU will be in the play off before many SEC teams that BYU could not beat in that same year they make the playoff.

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This 1000%!

With 12 team playoff, the path of least resistance is outside the power 2.

A couple of teams are going to win their conference and qualify that would struggle to beat the 8th place SEC team. That is why this system, though better than the previous, still doesn't fix the problem.

How many wild card teams have played in conference Championship with a chance to go to the Super Bowl? How many NFL teams have made playoffs with 9-7, 8-8 records?

There are still going to be 7-5 or 8-4 teams that are better than a 10-2 or 11-1 playoff qualifier.
07-17-2024, 11:46 AM
the_real_MSU_is_us

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Originally Posted by Jack Lambert

It is the easiest path to the playoff. BYU will be in the play off before many SEC teams that BYU could not beat in that same year they make the playoff.

But is "making the playoff" the goal of A&M, or is winning the Natty?

SEC teams may have a tougher path to the playoffs, but when we get there we don't get blown out like TCU. It's very hard to built a truly elite team if you can't sell those recruits on "playing the best" and your team doesn't gain experience vs elite teams in the regular season

If A$M wants to win anything, they should stay put. If they want a Playoff participation trophy, they should leave
07-17-2024, 06:37 PM
viverlibre

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Originally Posted by the_real_MSU_is_us

But is "making the playoff" the goal of A&M, or is winning the Natty?

SEC teams may have a tougher path to the playoffs, but when we get there we don't get blown out like TCU. It's very hard to built a truly elite team if you can't sell those recruits on "playing the best" and your team doesn't gain experience vs elite teams in the regular season

If A$M wants to win anything, they should stay put. If they want a Playoff participation trophy, they should leave

A&M's not going anywhere. This is just silly, low hanging fruit speculation for the doldrums of summer.

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