We did not win the reg season in 87, nor 85 lsu I can't speak for prior to that. 79 I know we did. Not sure where you got your info but it's incorrect. On those two for sure.Quote:
Originally Posted by MBDawg601
We did not win the reg season in 87, nor 85 lsu I can't speak for prior to that. 79 I know we did. Not sure where you got your info but it's incorrect. On those two for sure.Quote:
Originally Posted by MBDawg601
Wikipedia, not always 100% but mostly correct. I knew our resume was 10x Kentucky's is all I firmly knew and cared about.Quote:
Originally Posted by Homedawg
Not all State fans.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
This is correct.Quote:
Originally Posted by Commercecomet24
Doing all this for like 2-3 posters is... something
Between 1977 and 1987, the SEC officially considered the SEC Tournament champion to be the SEC's regular season/overall champion. So we claim the 1985 and 1987 championships, and no one else does, and the SEC agrees.
You serious Clark?Quote:
Originally Posted by KOdawg1
This is about at least 50 posters on this board only- of which you are indeed a member. You forget about the thousands of readers we have come here each day. Then you have to factor in the "C34 said...." threads that pop up here and there. It's wayyyyyyy beyond a couple of posters
Leave it to our own fans to try to downplay and belittle our last few decades of success. I looked up the final Baseball America rankings from 1990 through 2023
- I chose 1990 to stay consistent with the OP.
- I chose Baseball America because they've had a final ranking each year, and they don't go exactly by the postseason. Postseason matters in the final poll, but so does regular season. If you make Omaha, you'll be high, but not automatically in the top 8.
Here's the top 25 counting each final poll as a ballot (so being #1 gets you 25 points, on down):
495 1 LSU
489 2 Florida State
431 3 Stanford
415 4 Cal State Fullerton
405 5 Texas
396 6 Miami
353 7 Florida
283 8 Clemson
275 9 Rice
274 10 Arizona State
267 11 South Carolina
241 12 North Carolina
233 13 Texas A&M
229 14 USC
225 15 Arkansas
223 16 Mississippi State
222 17 Oklahoma State
213 18 Vanderbilt
209 19 Virginia
193 20 Oregon State
192 21 Georgia Tech
185 22 TCU
179 23 Oklahoma
172 24 Wichita State
167 25 Louisville
So we're #16 and #6 in the SEC. That's very solid, but not really elite.
But it greatly varies on where you set the boundaries.
- If you start it in 1985 rather than 1990, we're #13.
- If you start it in 1999 (to line up with the 64-team NCAA bracket), we're #16
- If you start it in 2013 (so the last 10 seasons) we're #7 (despite getting 0 points the last 2 years)
- From 2013 through 2021 we were #2, only behind Vanderbilt.
The verdict is that we are a very good program historically, but not really elite until the 2010s thanks to Cohen and his successors. Hopefully the last 2 years are a blip and we start climbing up the leaderboards again this season.
For most, regarding football, the regular season and an SEC championship is a big deal. In basketball and baseball, the regular season doesn't have near the importance as the post season means everything.
That’s great stuff Q- and it kind of makes the point I made to another one of our great posters here:
State is 100% in the top 20 of college baseball for its history. But college baseball has changed and basically the Top 40 teams in college baseball has a chance to win the title.
In college football? It’s about the Top 5 or 6 each season
Good post and thanks for doing that digging.Quote:
Originally Posted by Quaoarsking
If you are in the top 20 out of 300 something baseball teams across multiple eras- I would say that's pretty elite.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
College baseball in the South was very different than it is now prior to 1977. We had some teams that won the SEC in the 40's and 60's that didn't go to regionals and in the late 60's we couldn't play some of our upperclass players because of rules- I think we had players that were married or something the NCAA didn't like.Quote:
Originally Posted by Quaoarsking
For the South region we've been elite almost since our program began. It's just didn't go national until the 1980's. Same for LSU. And then the other programs followed behind.
I've never once used the words "state standard". Like everQuote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
I agree with a lot of 34s sports takes they can be insightful. Then he will start a thread like this.
It is like the small section of his brain that controls impulses has Tourettes
Is SEC Titles the pinnacle of baseball, or is it CWS , and super regional appearances?Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
If CWS , then I think we are #11 or so, all time in NCAA appearances, and knocking on the door to become a top 10.
That is not middle of the pack.
We are a Baseball School, I could care less about whether we are elite or not, I know we have a good tradition, and it seems to be growing. Not sure why some try to downplay our program.
We are tied for #11 with 12 appearances.Quote:
Originally Posted by Santiago
By coach:
Gregory: 1
Polk I: 5
Mac: 1
Polk II: 1
Cohen: 1
Henderson: 1
Lemonis: 2
I think the difficulty of measuring a "standard" or who is "elite" is that so much about the game has changed over the 50+ year period of MSU being on the national scene. The power has shifted from west to southeast, the SEC has focused on the game and facilities, the number of teams capable of winning the CWS has expanded tremendously, MLB has changed the draft multiple times effecting roster make up, and we can watch almost every game played from home.
If we are an elite program, then you have to create a standard based on CWS appearances. We have averaged a trip to Omaha once every 4-5 years since '71. So is Omaha once every 4-5 years the standard?
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Originally Posted by BrunswickDawg
The thing is, that some on the board say we cannot just use our past 15 years for comparison because that is not normal for us.
Then we look at the past 40-50 years and we are #11, and moving up on the list of CWS appearances.
It just seems some are trying way to hard here to say MSU is basically less than schools like Kentucky, and that we cannot count the past 12-15 years , unless we count the past 25 years(Polk 2) to bring our average down.
I guess a couple posters just start the threads for generating clicks here mostly.
I'm not sure what standard means or at least I don't care if fans say it or not. I care about winning, bottom line, we have a very good baseball program and a very proud program. So what if times have changed, just keep winning and the fact of the matter it's mostly about who is in charge to keep it going. In my mind the goal is to make it to Omaha, it ain't gonna happen every year and I'm ok with this. I don't like to see things that happened the last two years, but I am enjoying the end of this year. Nothing wrong with getting on a coach, ask the haters about Leach who I wasn't crazy about but I didn't constantly bash him either. Lemonis has it going on right now, I'm glad, I may not be a big fan but I do care about Msu, that is my standard! LOL
Man, I need to take a break from ED, it is a message board and opinions matter to get folks to participate.