Awesome post. I wrote this exact same message in a thread I started last night. I?m sick of getting on here and seeing all the experts kick a good man down. We are shooting holes in our own ship.Quote:
Originally Posted by RezDog7
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Awesome post. I wrote this exact same message in a thread I started last night. I?m sick of getting on here and seeing all the experts kick a good man down. We are shooting holes in our own ship.Quote:
Originally Posted by RezDog7
Please go watch Brandon Walkers podcast from today. And for the record, the ring was given to them by the outback bowl, not Coach Moorhead. And please tell me how many teams each year win more than 8 games? I'll hang up and listen.Quote:
Originally Posted by Goldendawg
9 sec teams won 8 last yearQuote:
Originally Posted by RezDog7
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Originally Posted by RezDog7
I said more?Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
Sorry, 6Quote:
Originally Posted by RezDog7
And we were a couple of dropped passes from being in that group.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
So in an attempt to get back on track to an actual recruiting topic I'll throw this out there after the rash of decommits we've had. Would we as a program be better off not accepting any commits from HS kids until at least after the spring evaluation and maybe even the summer camps?
Do decommits cause more negative momentum that early commits?
I'm asking because especially the positional guys that blow up in the spring almost never stick to an early commit and that's true for a lot of schools other than MSU. Kids commit way to early and then realize they have a ton of offers, schools are pressuring people close to the athlete and offering kickbacks if the kid visits or decommits, etc. It's just a TON of pressure for the kids that were ill-prepared to handle it and it's gotten to the point that most fans are more surprised when someone sticks than they are when someone decommits.
Maybe I'm getting the dynamics wrong, but if you have a decommit or two before senior years even start it just seems to suck the life out of the fan base. I'd just feel better if the kid had done his summer tour, really talked it over with our staff to the point where we feel good about it and then let a kid go public. Or does early momentum 6-12 months out carry a lot of weight?
What do y'all think?
No because if you put out a policy like that I think you run a high risk of sending recruits that want to commit the wrong message which may cause them to commit somewhere else and do more damage in the long run.Quote:
Originally Posted by Irondawg
As a fan we just have to understand that we're going to have guys commit and de-commit throughout the process and not freak out when it happens. It's just part of it. You're dealing with 17-18 year old kids and some want more attention than others.
I have no inside knowledge, but the decommit's were orchestrated to make us look bad.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
Amazing how other schools always seem to acquire that power.Quote:
Originally Posted by RezDog7
Cash moneyQuote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
I find some “recruiting experts” to be overly dramatic.
Found this article interesting... jimbo Fisher is a great recruiter, but he's even getting enough flack from the fans to address a slow start to the 2020 recruiting class. Point is that we aren't the only sec fanbase that "freaks out" about recruiting even this early in the cycle
https://texags.com/s/32159/jimbo-fis...ng-into-summer
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Originally Posted by Irondawg
You are commended for trying but it will never be strictly on MSU recruiting. That's why Scooba started the other thread, as this one was getting so out in left field you had to sift through page after page of non-recruiting related posts to ever see anything viable on MSU recruiting. Thanks to a few on here who have their "own agenda". Like bashing JoeMo, praising Mullen, or telling us that we (MSU Football Program ) needs to make changes in how things are done or not done, but have no clue what needs to be done to achieve it, etc.
This thread is a great idea, but you are right. I don't even come to this thread very often for recruiting news. It's just to hard to actually find it
Also, if a couple teams make a couple tackles we only win 6 games.Quote:
Originally Posted by RezDog7
I sometimes wonder if this is why Mullen always had a few to several commits during Big Dawg camp. The ones that you feel are making the emotional decisions and/or aren?t mature enough to handle the newfound love from all sides...play it like, hey, let?s hold on to your commitment right now until we get to Big Dawg camp and then we?ll announce it with a couple more and y?all will be the bellcows of the class. Play it like it will be more dramatic and carry more weight. This is what most of them are looking for anyway. Just a thought. Then it gives you time during the spring evaluation period for them to get through that and if they decommit and decide to look around, it wouldn?t bring all the negativity that we?ve seen lately.
Really?? Every single game we won was by 14 or more points. Couple tackles don't make a difference in that. But one catch could make a difference in a game you lose by 5 or 7 like Iowa or Florida.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lord McBuckethead
LSU is cleaning up at wr. They now have 3 of the top 8 WRs. The crazy part is only 1 is from Louisiana... 1 from from California and the other from Washington DC.
The "Infernal Daily Journal" of Tupelo even ran an article about it on page 2 of their sports section the next day. I don't subscribe, but we get it free at work. I have been trying to get my 81 year old Bulldog Mother to drop her subscription, but see still likes reading news in print in the mornings. I put them right up there with the Jackson "Carrion Liar".Quote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
On paper this is looking to be the best LSU class I've seen in a while, and that's noteworthy.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
Simply amazing how they do that when they struggle to throw the ball. Simply amazing.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
Well they can show several big time receivers in the league. And they play the game as well as anyone. Add those together and you have a recipe for success!Quote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
I'm going to go out on a limb & guess it's a good bit more than that...Quote:
Originally Posted by Homedawg
Kids around the country dream of playing in tiger stadium. LSU puts tons of players in nfl (2nd in current nfl players to Bama). Does LSU cheat? Hell yeah, everyone does, but this isn't the main reason they're loading up imoQuote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
I think the mystique of Tiger Stadium has died some but its def still one of the most well known brands in the country. I dont think anyone fears LSU the way they did in 2000 to 2011. That was a hell of a run for themQuote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
As long as they have 90k attending the game it will be a special place.Quote:
Originally Posted by BuckyIsAB****
Mike D was talking on Bounds show about how this year they decided to recruit more nationally and how it's paid off. I'm sure they use the same plan of attack as the other big boys.
Recruiting nationally is good for usQuote:
Originally Posted by Irondawg
It is if we can focus more on LA - it's been good to us over the years but last year we struggled there some. We could probably use a coach somewhere with strong LA ties if we don't already have one.
Looking over the sec, only 3 teams (us, om, and vandy) don't have at least 2 composite 4-stars. If you go by avg per recruit, we're 13th in the sec. We are 5th in the sec, but it's just a numbers game right now... we have 2 more commits than every team below us.
The good news is there is a long way to go. I do wonder how many 4-stars we will be able to get with such a limited number in miss and most of them trending elsewhere. Who are some OOS 4-star guys that we have a legitimate shot at?
So sending guys to the NFL, and playing the game(i.e. cheating like hell) isn't enough? ok they are a top 10 or 15 program. How's that?n It's not complicated.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
Heck, everything in football in such an uphill struggle for us with all of the recruiting hype to deal with and the extra incentives we don't see to offer as freely as some. Even when we get a guy and he is excited to commit it seems 2 months later he is ready to decommit to "weigh his options". Guess we are not even the favorite to get McKinley even with all of the first round DL we've had lately plus him having a former MSU football player as his HC and us signing his teammate this past class even though he was somewhat of a reach to be given an SEC football scholarship.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
Doesn?t seem like we?re even in the mixQuote:
Originally Posted by maroonmania
Nah. My guess is that it's more than that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Homedawg
Football recruiting is endlessly fascinating to meQuote:
Originally Posted by maroonmania
Diwun Black announced that he's headed to Juco instead of UF, like most predicted. He said "I wasn't post to graduate" so there's that. We'll get another chance to recruit him I guess, but I think he's burned all bridges with us.
Diwun Black's trips to the UF campus are history. He was a spike for their recruiting rankings for much of the last cycle, and nothing more. I hope he gets the help he needs.
Jo'Quavious Marks trending MSU, his verbal announcement is Monday. Paul likes it. What do we know?