DC Search Update?

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

Doesn't matter except to fan egos. In which in this case, it probably has more to do with the uncomfortable nature of working with Leach than it is about working at MSU.

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Not sure if you're serious. Leach is now looking fit his 5th option. That's not a good thing... leach thought 4 guys would've been better

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Originally Posted by KOdawg1

It's pretty sad. That's why I wish Leach would have found a DC and let him make the staff hires. No big-time DC is going to agree to come here with half of his staff already assembled with guys he may or may not know from a shitty defense.

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No HC worth a damn in gonna let an OC or DC hire the staff for their side of the ball. He may get their input, but he should never let them hire half the staff.

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

Doesn't matter except to fan egos. In which in this case, it probably has more to do with the uncomfortable nature of working with Leach than it is about working at MSU.

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I agree Gun. Nobody but a select few know how the interviews played out, who was actually offered, or what was discussed in any interviews.................... However the media said this and whatever the media says is always 100% factual.***

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Originally Posted by msstate7

Not sure if you're serious. Leach is now looking fit his 5th option. That's not a good thing... leach thought 4 guys would've been better

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Maybe, but that doesn't mean who he ends up hiring won't be just as good.

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Originally Posted by msstate7

Not sure if you're serious. Leach is now looking fit his 5th option. That's not a good thing... leach thought 4 guys would've been better

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That's not the thought process in interviewing or hiring people.

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Originally Posted by yjnkdawg

I agree Gun. Nobody but a select few know how the interviews played out, who was actually offered, or what was discussed in any interviews.................... However the media said this and whatever the media says is always 100% factual.***

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Exactly. We don't know if anyone has been officially offered the job.

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

Maybe, but that doesn't mean who he ends up hiring won't be just as good.

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That I agree with, but I certainly think the risk goes up with every empty swing

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Originally Posted by msstate7

Not sure if you're serious. Leach is now looking fit his 5th option. That's not a good thing... leach thought 4 guys would've been better

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Where you getting 5th. Newberry and Bateman turned us down. I believe there were several factors but one big one might be how both had just moved their families within last year or so and both are also in pretty good locations. Gotta take the fam into account sometimes.

As I've said I only think 2 have so far. Any others tell us no? I also believe Leach is looking for a specific D philosophy and associated historical results.

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Originally Posted by dawgday166

Where you getting 5th. Newberry and Bateman turned us down. I believe there were several factors but one big one might be how both had just moved their families within last year or so and both are also in pretty good locations. Gotta take the fam into account sometimes.

As I've said I only think 2 have so far. Any others tell us no? I also believe Leach is looking for a specific D philosophy and associated historical results.

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4th... 5th was a mistake... hoops' number, and hoops is reliable imo

But I think we can all admit that we are surprised some of these top candidates are not interested in the job. We are offering probably at least a 200k raise to most people, in the best conference in the nation at a school that has a reputation of having good defenses and has also proven to be a very good stepping stone job.

It?s not going to be attractive to everyone but just a bit odd that we seem to be having this much trouble.

Does Leach have a history of being difficult to work for as a DC or something?

I think the stats given in other threads show that his offense doesn?t force the defense to play an huge increase in number of plays

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Originally Posted by dawgday166

Where you getting 5th. Newberry and Bateman turned us down. I believe there were several factors but one big one might be how both had just moved their families within last year or so and both are also in pretty good locations. Gotta take the fam into account sometimes.

As I've said I only think 2 have so far. Any others tell us no? I also believe Leach is looking for a specific D philosophy and associated historical results.

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Bateman didn’t turn us down so much as he declined to interview because he is happy at UNC and didn’t want to move again. He recommended Newberry as someone to consider.

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Originally Posted by msstate7

That I agree with, but I certainly think the risk goes up with every empty swing

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The media is calling all these swings. However if the media had been right earlier in the coaching search process, then we would never have had CML stepping off that plane and being welcomed as our new HC.

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Originally Posted by Really Clark?

Bateman didn?t turn us down so much as he declined to interview because he is happy at UNC and didn?t want to move again. He recommended Newberry as someone to consider.

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ok. I kinda counted that as a no since it was a choice of Leach's I believe. I'm thinking we're on our 3rd or 4th option unless I missed someone.

Maybe it's time to insert the old Cliche that a good defense is a Strong Offense **
I think it's something more along the lines of waiting too late this year to change out our Coaching staff - gotta admit that this was kinda late in the year for staff changes ... maybe if we pulled the plug just after the Egg Bowl but just thinking back - have we ever had a known experienced coordinator other than Grantham and JL Dunn come aboard ?
Take what we can get this year and if it doesn't work then change again next year - I hate the appearance of desperation but we have put our self in this position and I say it's worth it ... not everyone can say no to the kind of money we can offer

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Originally Posted by FISHDAWG

Maybe it's time to insert the old Cliche that a good defense is a Strong Offense **
I think it's something more along the lines of waiting too late this year to change out our Coaching staff - gotta admit that this was kinda late in the year for staff changes ... maybe if we pulled the plug just after the Egg Bowl but just thinking back - have we ever had a known experienced coordinator other than Grantham and JL Dunn come aboard ?
Take what we can get this year and if it doesn't work then change again next year - I hate the appearance of desperation but we have put our self in this position and I say it's worth it ... not everyone can say no to the kind of money we can offer

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Shoop was experienced at DC. Manny was too but not at P5 Level. Not sure on Collins.

Should have just kept Shoops.

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Originally Posted by Jack Lambert

Should have just kept Shoops.

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Leach doesn't retain coaches. It's in his book.

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Originally Posted by FISHDAWG

Maybe it's time to insert the old Cliche that a good defense is a Strong Offense **
I think it's something more along the lines of waiting too late this year to change out our Coaching staff - gotta admit that this was kinda late in the year for staff changes ... maybe if we pulled the plug just after the Egg Bowl but just thinking back - have we ever had a known experienced coordinator other than Grantham and JL Dunn come aboard ?
Take what we can get this year and if it doesn't work then change again next year - I hate the appearance of desperation but we have put our self in this position and I say it's worth it ... not everyone can say no to the kind of money we can offer

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From my fan life- Joe Lee Dunn, Ron Cooper was a former head coach and well thought of before he flamed out with us, Ellis Johnson, Carl Tornush, Manny Diaz the second time around, Todd Grantham, and Bob Shoop.

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

Leach doesn't retain coaches. It's in his book.

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He might need to revise that chapter.

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Originally Posted by Jack Lambert

He might need to revise that chapter.

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Yep. Silly to have a hard rule like that. What if Venables had been our dc.....would he have been automatically let go? Unrealistic example....but you get my point.