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04-26-2018, 05:12 PM
parabrave

Gonna have to encase all the balls and programs I got Acuna, Albies and Gohara to sign for me last year. Funny having to have Goh having to interpret for acuna when talking to them..
04-26-2018, 05:28 PM
Dawg61

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Originally Posted by msstate7

Nope. Bautista is starter in a few days... no platoon. Snit addressed this the other day. Pretty sad... Camargo has 448 PA at AAA and mlb last 2 years, and has slashed .296/.339/.477. He has an fWAR of 1.3 in 86 games now during this time period... that is pace for 2.4. Definitely not great, but pretty solid.

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Originally Posted by parabrave

Myself and about 99.9% of braves fans agree with you and are saying WTF Braves. Even now Chip saying Joey Bats will be our saving grace. This was a f'd up transaction. The last thing this team needed was another infielder, esp an old guy.. What part of OUR BP SUCKS don't they understand.

I don't get the Bautista hate. I wanted the Giants to sign him. He only costs 2 mill and he's a good player. He'll hit 20-25 bombs and get on base a lot.
04-26-2018, 05:33 PM
Bulldog1

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Originally Posted by Dawg61

I don't get the Bautista hate. I wanted the Giants to sign him. He only costs 2 mill and he's a good player. He'll hit 20-25 bombs and get on base a lot.

Part of my hate is benching Camargo in favor of Bautista.

I said this a couple of days ago:

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Originally Posted by Bulldog1

Yep. Seems like a head scratcher by upper management. I mean Camargo gets called up to sit on the bench, but they sign this retread strike out machine, has been washed up shell of his former self baseball player, Bautista- and he is the big dog at 3B? Hope they show me to be wrong, but I doubt it.

I just feel like we should see what Camargo can do. But, Bautista is a decent bench bat.
04-26-2018, 06:09 PM
msstate7

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Originally Posted by Dawg61

I don't get the Bautista hate. I wanted the Giants to sign him. He only costs 2 mill and he's a good player. He'll hit 20-25 bombs and get on base a lot.

Bautista had an fWAR of -0.5 playing OF with an ops of .674. He is now moving to 3b. 20 homeruns mean little when you slug .366 and strike out 25% of the time. Hopefully he finds the fountain of youth, but I doubt it
04-26-2018, 08:09 PM
parabrave

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Originally Posted by Dawg61

I don't get the Bautista hate. I wanted the Giants to sign him. He only costs 2 mill and he's a good player. He'll hit 20-25 bombs and get on base a lot.

They have 2 players in front of him right now with one of them playing lights out. They need help in other areas.
04-26-2018, 08:26 PM
shoeless joe

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Originally Posted by parabrave

They have 2 players in front of him right now with one of them playing lights out. They need help in other areas.

What area?? Bull pen? Front line starter? That's about it...but this is a low risk high reward opportunity. Admittedly I don't think camargo is an every day guy.

Signing Bautista will have zero affect on their ability to acquire one of their major needs
04-26-2018, 08:30 PM
msstate7

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Originally Posted by shoeless joe

What area?? Bull pen? Front line starter? That's about it...but this is a low risk high reward opportunity. Admittedly I don't think camargo is an every day guy. JMO

Camargo very well may not be an everyday guy, but Bautista at 3b is much more of a question mark than camargo. The worst part of this is we just gave the job to him. He will be promoted and given a starting role just bc of his name bc he is not the same player as 3 seasons ago
04-26-2018, 08:36 PM
shoeless joe

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Originally Posted by msstate7

Camargo very well may not be an everyday guy, but Bautista at 3b is much more of a question mark than camargo. The worst part of this is we just gave the job to him. He will be promoted and given a starting role just bc of his name bc he is not the same player as 3 seasons ago

Don't necessarily disagree but if a few weeks down the road he's stinkin it up then he'll get DFA'd and the experiment cost very little. On the flip side he's rejuvenated and gives some solid production and still didn't cost much of anything and, I repeat, does not affect the ability to make a move that will be much needed to compete either this yr or next.
04-26-2018, 08:44 PM
msstate7

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Originally Posted by shoeless joe

Don't necessarily disagree but if a few weeks down the road he's stinkin it up then he'll get DFA'd and the experiment cost very little. On the flip side he's rejuvenated and gives some solid production and still didn't cost much of anything and, I repeat, does not affect the ability to make a move that will be much needed to compete either this yr or next.

Yeah, you're right, but I would feel much better about this if we made Bautista at least tear up AAA to earn a promotion. He has sucked so far. I would absolutely love to be wrong though.
04-26-2018, 10:02 PM
Dawg61

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Originally Posted by msstate7

Bautista had an fWAR of -0.5 playing OF with an ops of .674. He is now moving to 3b. 20 homeruns mean little when you slug .366 and strike out 25% of the time. Hopefully he finds the fountain of youth, but I doubt it

Get off WAR already. It's Jose Bautista.
04-26-2018, 10:13 PM
msstate7

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Originally Posted by Dawg61

Get off WAR already. It's Jose Bautista. He's way better than Carwhothe****go.

Throw out WAR then...
k rate = 25%
Slugging % = .366
Obp = .308
Avg = .203
Struck out career high 170 times; 116 was previous

Camargo...
K rate = 19.9%
Slugging = .452
Obp = .331
Avg = .299
04-26-2018, 10:18 PM
Bulldog1

Play the Phillies tomorrow. I'll have to set the DVR to a 3 hour extension. LOL.
04-26-2018, 11:40 PM
Dawg61

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Originally Posted by msstate7

Nope. Bautista is starter in a few days... no platoon. Snit addressed this the other day. Pretty sad... Camargo has 448 PA at AAA and mlb last 2 years, and has slashed .296/.339/.477. He has an fWAR of 1.3 in 86 games now during this time period... that is pace for 2.4. Definitely not great, but pretty solid.

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Originally Posted by msstate7

Throw out WAR then...
k rate = 25%
Slugging % = .366
Obp = .308
Avg = .203
Struck out career high 170 times; 116 was previous

Camargo...
K rate = 19.9%
Slugging = .452
Obp = .331
Avg = .299

1 year and you're skewing the stats. How many ABs? What level is Carmango playing at? Bautista was hurt some last year. I kept him as a keeper for five straight years. Besides last year he hit at an All-Star level. What are Bautista's numbers the previous five seasons before last? Before last year he was leading the MLB in total homeruns for a good stretch of time. Like half a decade.
04-27-2018, 07:41 AM
msstate7

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Originally Posted by Dawg61

1 year and you're skewing the stats. How many ABs? What level is Carmango playing at? Bautista was hurt some last year. I kept him as a keeper for five straight years. Besides last year he hit at an All-Star level. What are Bautista's numbers the previous five seasons before last? Before last year he was leading the MLB in total homeruns for a good stretch of time. Like half a decade.

Camargo mlb stats since last season...
220 PA .296/.332/.458 20.7 k%
04-27-2018, 08:22 AM
smootness

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Originally Posted by Dawg61

I don't get the Bautista hate. I wanted the Giants to sign him. He only costs 2 mill and he's a good player. He'll hit 20-25 bombs and get on base a lot.

He is no longer a good player.
04-27-2018, 08:53 AM
Matty Dispatch

They probably told Bautista that if he went ahead and signed a minor league deal it would be a formality that he'll be able to get called up and get the chance to play at 3B every day. And the Braves are looking at it like this: 1. if he can provide big time power batting 5th or 6th and not be awful at 3B then he'll remain the starter. 2. if he sucks like he did last year then he's one hell of a pinch hitter for our team. I think the latter ends up happening and Camargo is the starting 3rd baseman the second half of the season. If that's the case and Buatista is a pinch hitter, that's a big plus over Culberson or Peter Bourjos.
04-27-2018, 08:56 AM
msstate7

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Originally Posted by Matty Dispatch

They probably told Bautista that if he went ahead and signed a minor league deal it would be a formality that he'll be able to get called up and get the chance to play at 3B every day. And the Braves are looking at it like this: 1. if he can provide big time power batting 5th or 6th and not be awful at 3B then he'll remain the starter. 2. if he sucks like he did last year then he's one hell of a pinch hitter for our team. I think the latter ends up happening and Camargo is the starting 3rd baseman the second half of the season. If that's the case and Buatista is a pinch hitter, that's a big plus over Culberson or Peter Bourjos.

The problem with tucker and Bautista as bench bats is they are both very limited in where they can play in the field.
04-27-2018, 09:05 AM
Matty Dispatch

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Originally Posted by msstate7

The problem with tucker and Bautista as bench bats is they are both very limited in where they can play in the field.

But having Tucker as a lefty and Bautista on the bench gives you power from both sides. I'd keep Culberson because he can play every infield position and release Flahrty (assuming he's going to return to his career .221 average). Markakis, Inciarte and Acuna are just going to have to play every day. And I'm sure Acuna could play CF if need be and Tucker a corner OF position as well as Buatista.
04-27-2018, 09:12 AM
msstate7

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Originally Posted by Matty Dispatch

But having Tucker as a lefty and Bautista on the bench gives you power from both sides. I'd keep Culberson because he can play every infield position and release Flahrty (assuming he's going to return to his career .221 average). Markakis, Inciarte and Acuna are just going to have to play every day. And I'm sure Acuna could play CF if need be and Tucker a corner OF position as well as Buatista.

Sounds like a plan
04-27-2018, 09:34 AM
smootness

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Originally Posted by Matty Dispatch

But having Tucker as a lefty and Bautista on the bench gives you power from both sides. I'd keep Culberson because he can play every infield position and release Flahrty (assuming he's going to return to his career .221 average). Markakis, Inciarte and Acuna are just going to have to play every day. And I'm sure Acuna could play CF if need be and Tucker a corner OF position as well as Buatista.

There is a shift that must happen in the way teams view players like Flaherty. Instead of looking at him and saying, 'Wow, he's batting .300+, we need to keep him in the lineup while he's hitting this well,' we need to look at him and say, 'Wow, we got 21 games of .300+ out of Ryan Flaherty, how fortunate we are!' and stop playing him before we get the cold spell that brings him back down to career norms. If you wait until he falls back to where he's been, then you got nothing beneficial out of him. You just got more games of a normal Ryan Flaherty instead of just the good stuff.

Hopefully we're shifting in the way we view that, but we'll just have to see.
04-27-2018, 12:55 PM
Dawg61

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Originally Posted by smootness

There is a shift that must happen in the way teams view players like Flaherty. Instead of looking at him and saying, 'Wow, he's batting .300+, we need to keep him in the lineup while he's hitting this well,' we need to look at him and say, 'Wow, we got 21 games of .300+ out of Ryan Flaherty, how fortunate we are!' and stop playing him before we get the cold spell that brings him back down to career norms. If you wait until he falls back to where he's been, then you got nothing beneficial out of him. You just got more games of a normal Ryan Flaherty instead of just the good stuff.

Hopefully we're shifting in the way we view that, but we'll just have to see.

Damn what a bleak outlook on life errr I mean baseball players
04-27-2018, 01:17 PM
smootness

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Originally Posted by Dawg61

Damn what a bleak outlook on life errr I mean baseball players

Haha what?

We know what Ryan Flaherty is. He has proven that over 6 major league seasons. He currently has a BABIP over .400. That means you have lucked out and gotten much better production out of Ryan Flaherty than you could have ever hoped or than he is likely to produce going forward.

So, if you continue playing Flaherty, he will almost certainly come back down to career norms. By doing so, you will negate any positives from having him play so far above his head to start. If you stop playing him (or at least stop starting him since we now have a better option), you will ensure you were the lucky beneficiary of his surprising play.

It's like gambling. If you go to Vegas and win huge your first time out, you should absolutely stop playing. Instead, people continue, thinking they can keep getting lucky, and they negate any gains they got.

What is bleak about that?
04-27-2018, 02:11 PM
BoomBoom

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Originally Posted by smootness

Haha what?

We know what Ryan Flaherty is. He has proven that over 6 major league seasons. He currently has a BABIP over .400. That means you have lucked out and gotten much better production out of Ryan Flaherty than you could have ever hoped or than he is likely to produce going forward.

So, if you continue playing Flaherty, he will almost certainly come back down to career norms. By doing so, you will negate any positives from having him play so far above his head to start. If you stop playing him (or at least stop starting him since we now have a better option), you will ensure you were the lucky beneficiary of his surprising play.

It's like gambling. If you go to Vegas and win huge your first time out, you should absolutely stop playing. Instead, people continue, thinking they can keep getting lucky, and they negate any gains they got.

What is bleak about that?

Never assume performance will.drop below career norms to "stabilize" his numbers. Dice.have no memory. He is most likely to put up his career numbers from here out, averaging with his lucky start to give him a career year. If you have a better option than his career numbers, then you play him. If not, ride the hot streak.
04-27-2018, 02:25 PM
MetEdDawg

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Originally Posted by BoomBoom

Never assume performance will.drop below career norms to "stabilize" his numbers. Dice.have no memory. He is most likely to put up his career numbers from here out, averaging with his lucky start to give him a career year. If you have a better option than his career numbers, then you play him. If not, ride the hot streak.

This 100%. At some point there may be diminishing returns that force your hand. But you don't preemptively take him out because his career numbers will potentially point to regression back to norm. You ride it until it's gone. Once you realize that the return is not good enough, then you consider making a change. But I've never heard of sitting someone that was hot because the next day they may not be hot because their career numbers say at some point they will probably not be as good as they are showing.
04-27-2018, 02:36 PM
msstate7

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Originally Posted by BoomBoom

Never assume performance will.drop below career norms to "stabilize" his numbers. Dice.have no memory. He is most likely to put up his career numbers from here out, averaging with his lucky start to give him a career year. If you have a better option than his career numbers, then you play him. If not, ride the hot streak.

How do you decide if his hot streak is over? 1 for last 15 with 6 k
04-27-2018, 03:25 PM
Bulldog1

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Originally Posted by msstate7

How do you decide if his hot streak is over? 1 for last 15 with 6 k

If you ride the hot streak, it will take 5 or 6 games possibly of him sucking to know if his hot streak is over. By then, he's become a problem. That's why you don't just go by the "hot hand".
04-27-2018, 03:41 PM
Matty Dispatch

I would be done with Flahrty as soon as Jose Bautista is ready to be promoted. And since he's hitting over .300, maybe another team will trade him for cash or a reliever with an expiring contract. Right now he's going to be a victim of being on a talented team, or at least he should be. Watch the barving commence when they send Comargo back to AAA instead.
04-27-2018, 03:48 PM
msstate7

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Originally Posted by Matty Dispatch

I would be done with Flahrty as soon as Jose Bautista is ready to be promoted. And since he's hitting over .300, maybe another team will trade him for cash or a reliever with an expiring contract. Right now he's going to be a victim of being on a talented team, or at least he should be. Watch the barving commence when they send Comargo back to AAA instead.

I will melt. Seriously, I will throw a temper tantrum on my iPhone haha
04-27-2018, 04:09 PM
Bulldog1

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Originally Posted by msstate7

I will melt. Seriously, I will throw a temper tantrum on my iPhone haha

I may literally melt my iPhone. Lol. I swear BS makes Gary Henderson look like a HOF manager. (Talking about Camargo having to sit again.)
04-27-2018, 08:11 PM
BoomBoom

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Originally Posted by msstate7

How do you decide if his hot streak is over? 1 for last 15 with 6 k

You don't. You assume you will get his career numbers going forward. I would play Carmago. I'm lower on him than others, but you need to give him ABs to see what you've got.
04-27-2018, 08:20 PM
msstate7

1-run game with top of Phillies' lineup up... let's get a new kid his first action. Snit continues to be the dumbest dude alive. No way I trust snit and chuckle with these young kids
04-27-2018, 08:22 PM
Bulldog1

Who'd he bring in?
04-27-2018, 08:24 PM
msstate7

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Originally Posted by Bulldog1

Who'd he bring in?

Chase Whitley or Whitney or whoever this AAAA trash is. He tops out at like 86
04-27-2018, 08:25 PM
Bulldog1

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Originally Posted by msstate7

Chase Whitley or Whitney or whoever this AAAA trash is. He tops out at like 86

Clown show.
04-28-2018, 01:54 PM
Bulldog1

Snitker makes me so mad!!! Why is Flaherty playing again?
On the bright side: Flowers is catching tonight and Acuna is up to the 5 spot in the lineup!
04-28-2018, 05:04 PM
parabrave

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Originally Posted by Bulldog1

Snitker makes me so mad!!! Why is Flaherty playing again?
On the bright side: Flowers is catching tonight and Acuna is up to the 5 spot in the lineup!

Because he is hitting over 300 and Bautista is hitting BJ Upton numbers.
04-28-2018, 05:18 PM
Bulldog1

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Originally Posted by parabrave

Because he is hitting over 300 and Bautista is hitting BJ Upton numbers.

Camargo should be starting. RF has 2 hits in his last 17 plate appearances.
04-28-2018, 08:02 PM
MaroonFlounder

What is the prognosis on Teheran? He left game early last outing.
04-28-2018, 08:04 PM
msstate7

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Originally Posted by MaroonFlounder

What is the prognosis on Teheran? He left game early last outing.

Don't think it is expected to be a huge issue. May miss a start bc of back, but I doubt it
04-29-2018, 10:07 AM
msstate7

https://s14.postimg.cc/9wg6yonsx/29_...9_FBF51_E3.jpg

I like this lineup

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