Except that it isn't the same situation at all because that was Cam Newton the guy that carried his team to a natty and won the heisman.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ari Gold
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Except that it isn't the same situation at all because that was Cam Newton the guy that carried his team to a natty and won the heisman.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ari Gold
Fitz never faced a shitty team either? 473 yards is 473 yards and he did it in only 3 quarters.Quote:
Originally Posted by Maroonthirteen
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Originally Posted by Ari Gold
The only similarities that I see are the relationships between Mullen/Newton and Moorhead/Stevens and the need for a better option at QB....Newton was clearly a better option over Russell but I don't think there is any evidence to support Stevens being clearly better than KT. I also don't see Illinois or Bowling Green coughing up $100K to swoop in and steal Stevens from Joe.....LOL
Nobody thought that is what Cam would end up doing during his recruitment. Everybody knew he was good and talented but you are using what he did after the fact which is irrelevant to what Ari posted.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawg61
He had just won the JC Natty and basically looked like Superman...so there's thatQuote:
Originally Posted by Really Clark?
He wasn’t even in the Heisman talk during the Sept games. So no, he wasn’t thought of as being close to what he actually accomplished during his recruitingQuote:
Originally Posted by Doggie_Style
I like KT a whole lot more now than I did Tyler in 2009 and even if we didn't know he'd win the Heisman it was and is clearly obvious Cam Newton is miles better than a PSU backup.Quote:
Originally Posted by Really Clark?
YOU don't see the evidence, but Joe is more equipped to evaluate who between KT and Stevens is better at running his offense more so than anyone on the planet. He's actually seen both of them running it! Why are some message board fans not giving him the benefit of the doubt on this? Because he didn't adjust the offense to Fitz? Those two things are in no way related and it's incredible that people are trying to link them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Doggie_Style
Some of y'all got some revisionist history going on with Cam Newton. Nobody knew who this dude was in November of 2009, but everybody knew who he was in November 2010.
The problem with the whole analogy - and I can't believe no one picked up on this - is that we wouldn't have had Cam replacing Russell. Cam would have replaced Relf and Russell. Relf was a big question mark going into the 2010 season. He had been the hero of the '09 Egg Bowl but somewhat pedestrian as a back up. Russell was so venerated as a passer that many thought he would overtake Relf even though he was just a redshirt freshman.
Where the analogy is right is that Dan was working with 2 questionable choices - Relf who had not proven himself as a passer, and Russell who wasn't a fit for his system (and wasn't ready) - and to advance his abilities to fully implement HIS system was going after HIS guy.
It seems like we're going down some weird rabbit holes and making some shaky arguments (on both "sides") over a fairly straightforward situation. Of course we would look at opportunities to upgrade the QB room. we've been doing it. We might be OK with KT but it looks like Stevens could be an upgrade. Joe is the best guy out there to know and he seems to handle the room pretty well, so I'm not worried about chemistry issues.
Even Mahlzan didn’t trust his passing early in 2010. And he wasn’t close to lighting it up either. This is all revising history to fit your point of view. Especially early that season. There was no hype for him until mid late Oct. He had 5 picks his first 6 games. No big rushing games vs conference teams until Kentucky in Oct.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawg61
Cam was special and it was immediately obvious by just watching him. Kinda like watching LeBron James in high school. It didn't take long to notice they weren't like everyone else on the court/field. Cam was the #1 pick in the draft and shoulda been.Quote:
Originally Posted by Really Clark?
That’s just not true. Auburn didn’t even offer him until late, they were not sure on him. It wasn’t like he had every D1 school after him after JUCO. He ended up having a special year at Auburn. Nobody thought he was close to being that special coming out of JUCO. Nobody was thinking that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawg61
Newton was the most highly recruited JC QB in the nation when he signed with Auburn and they thought enough of him to pay the $$$. Yea some teams were reluctant due to the stolen laptop situation at Florida but he lit it up at Blinn, won a JC natty and was the top JC QB. Stevens has thrown 41 passes in 4 years.......no comparison.Quote:
Originally Posted by Really Clark?
Not talking about Fitz. I’m talking about KT v SFA ..... 13 of 31 attempts.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawg61
I’ve never brought up Stevens. What I’ve pointed out is that Cam was not thought of to be close to some of y’all are revising with his history. Cam was the #1 JUCO QB...Randal Mackey was #2. He was down to us, Auburn and KState and had 3 other offers but OK was not commutable. Arizona and UNC. Spin all you want but nobody, not even the few schools recruiting him and the one who signed him, thought he would have the year he did. Nobody was predicting that, preseason or the first half of the seasonQuote:
Originally Posted by Doggie_Style
As usual some of you aren’t getting the point
If CJM thought KT was the guy needed to lead this team to the level he wants he wouldn’t be out looking for someone that MAY be able to do that
The same way CDM did with Cam
Again I never said or hinted that Stevens is Cam , hell Kelly Bryant isn’t even close to Cam
But there is a reason CJM is a little worried about the QB position, and we should be thankful he is trying to fix the problem
And I I don’t give a **** what teams are after Stevens
The same way no one was after Minshaw and we see how that turned out at Wash state.
If Stevens comes he comes . If he doesn’t he doesn’t.
It’s KT ‘s job to lose wether he comes or not. If he can beat him great, if Stevens wins the jobs great as well
Actually, he did...Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawg61
Fitz vs Samford in 2016, 536 total yds
I'd say that there are definitely questions about KT at this point in time.Quote:
Originally Posted by BrunswickDawg
I would agree with Ari that the situation is similar because Relf really didn't fit Dan's offense all that well as a passer at least and probably fit in better at a Georgia Tech/Paul Johnson style of offense.
We get Cam Newton and no question 2010 is even better than it was and we probably blow some people like Florida and Georgia out that year and probably beat at a minimum Arkansas and Auburn and who knows beyond that with LSU and Alabama?