Sankey?s Letter in the gun law.....

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02-09-2018, 01:10 PM
Tbonewannabe

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Originally Posted by BrunswickDawg

Ah, the random "good guy with a gun argument". In the case of a mass shooting, has the shooter ever been brought down by a random CC holder who was not a LEO?? I can't think of an instance where that happened. And since mass shootings happen almost daily, you would think that the some "good guy with a gun" would have gotten lucky enough to pop off a shot by now.

Mass shootings are becoming a common occurrence to the point that the President doesn't even hold press conferences about them now. It took him over 24 hours to even tweet about it and nothing is being done. Australia had a mass shooter in 1996 that led to eliminating automatic and semi automatic guns. They haven't had a mass shooting since but thanks to money and politics the US is just doubling down on everyone having guns. I am all for having a gun for home protection, hunting, or sport shooting but there is exactly zero people in the world that need assault weapons other than military.

For all the people that say the people need weapons to keep the government in check, there are drones with bombs now so if the government really wanted to create a genocide, there isn't anything anyone can do. A random militia in the middle of nowhere doesn't stand a chance if the USA military wants them to disappear. The US military is kicking total ass in Afganistan and Iraq, those are against militias armed a lot better than any person in the US could be.
02-09-2018, 01:12 PM
Dawg61

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Originally Posted by Coach007

That's not the point. The point is and will remain that those people were not protected and their right to try was taken from them.

I'd argue their right to try and protect themselves was put in serious jeopardy when psychos are allowed buy 30 AR-15's in a year
02-09-2018, 01:12 PM
Coach007

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Originally Posted by BrunswickDawg

Ah, the random "good guy with a gun argument". In the case of a mass shooting, has the shooter ever been brought down by a random CC holder who was not a LEO?? I can't think of an instance where that happened. And since mass shootings happen almost daily, you would think that the some "good guy with a gun" would have gotten lucky enough to pop off a shot by now.

https://www.dallasnews.com/news/arli...ng-reports-say

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Hero' stopped mass murder by crazed bar patron who was armed to the teeth, police say
02-09-2018, 01:17 PM
Liverpooldawg

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Originally Posted by Coach007

That's not the point. The point is and will remain that those people were not protected and their right to try was taken from them.

You brought it up as an example of how concealed carry would have helped prevent a mass shooting. I want to hear how you would have been able to do anything from 1000 feet away with your little concealable pistol. I have one pistol, a Beretta 92 9mm. That's one of the most stable pistols out there. I'm pretty decent with it out to 20 yrds or so. Beyond that it gets chancy for me. I will acknowledge I'm not the greatest shot in the world but pretty much anyone would need a HUGE amount of luck to hit what they were aiming at with that nice heavy, stable Beretta at the distance the that shooter was operating at. You would just as likely hit someone in the next room.
02-09-2018, 01:21 PM
Dawg61

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Originally Posted by Tbonewannabe

For all the people that say the people need weapons to keep the government in check, there are drones with bombs now so if the government really wanted to create a genocide, there isn't anything anyone can do. A random militia in the middle of nowhere doesn't stand a chance if the USA military wants them to disappear. The US military is kicking total ass in Afganistan and Iraq, those are against militias armed a lot better than any person in the US could be.

But in 1792 our forefathers had the ability to see into the future of over 230 years and they knew that everrrrrrbody needs an assault rifle that hadn't even been invented yet cause what they wrote 3 centuries ago should apply to all USA citizens till the end of time. Cause 2nd amendment boy!!!
02-09-2018, 01:23 PM
Coach007

Again... not the point. You can not protect 65k people. It is impossible.
02-09-2018, 01:25 PM
Tbonewannabe

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Originally Posted by Dawg61

But in 1792 our forefathers had the ability to see into the future of over 230 years and they knew that everrrrrrbody needs an assault rifle that hadn't even been invented yet cause what they wrote 3 centuries ago should apply to all USA citizens till the end of time. Cause 2nd amendment boy!!!

Too much money involved now. The NRA is one of the biggest lobbiest compared to the amount of money spent buying politicians and how big their membership is. You would think weapon manufacturers would be content with about 70% of the United States budget being spent on the military. Anytime you can lose 1 trillion dollars and don't know where it went, you have too much money.
02-09-2018, 01:25 PM
Coach007

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Originally Posted by Dawg61

But in 1792 our forefathers had the ability to see into the future of over 230 years and they knew that everrrrrrbody needs an assault rifle that hadn't even been invented yet cause what they wrote 3 centuries ago should apply to all USA citizens till the end of time. Cause 2nd amendment boy!!!

People owned canons....
02-09-2018, 01:31 PM
BrunswickDawg

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Originally Posted by Coach007

https://www.dallasnews.com/news/arli...ng-reports-say

Technically, that wasn't a mass shooting. I'll give the benefit of the doubt that he probably kept others from being harmed. However, it's not the type of "public assembly" situations we have been discussing - large volumes of people, such as a sporting event or concert, or just a school in general.
02-09-2018, 01:32 PM
starkvegasdawg

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Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg

You brought it up as an example of how concealed carry would have helped prevent a mass shooting. I want to hear how you would have been able to do anything from 1000 feet away with your little concealable pistol. I have one pistol, a Beretta 92 9mm. That's one of the most stable pistols out there. I'm pretty decent with it out to 20 yrds or so. Beyond that it gets chancy for me. I will acknowledge I'm not the greatest shot in the world but pretty much anyone would need a HUGE amount of luck to hit what they were aiming at with that nice heavy, stable Beretta at the distance the that shooter was operating at. You would just as likely hit someone in the next room.

But if that shooter was in the crowd five feet from you...say like the Ft. Hood attack or Pulse Nightclub in Orlando or Sandy Hook...then your 9mm could have made a world of difference.
02-09-2018, 01:32 PM
Dawg61

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Originally Posted by Coach007

People owned canons....

I'd like to see them carry a cannon into DWS. I'd buy extra popcorn just to watch them get it all the way to their seat.
02-09-2018, 01:34 PM
BrunswickDawg

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Originally Posted by Dawg61

But in 1792 our forefathers had the ability to see into the future of over 230 years and they knew that everrrrrrbody needs an assault rifle that hadn't even been invented yet cause what they wrote 3 centuries ago should apply to all USA citizens till the end of time. Cause 2nd amendment boy!!!

Don't you know we are supposed to be strict constitutionalists in this discussion and believe that the Founders were anointed by God to write those exact words that are 100 % applicable for ever? Get with program mane!
02-09-2018, 01:35 PM
BrunswickDawg

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Originally Posted by Dawg61

I'd like to see them carry a cannon into DWS. I'd buy extra popcorn just to watch them get it all the way to their seat.

I miss the cannon in DWS. Always though that would be fun weekend duty for the ROTC.
02-09-2018, 01:42 PM
Liverpooldawg

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Originally Posted by Coach007

Again... not the point. You can not protect 65k people. It is impossible.

And you are with a concealable pistol I guess. If you pulled it in that situation the most likely result is YOU would be shot by police.
02-09-2018, 01:52 PM
Coach007

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Originally Posted by BrunswickDawg

Technically, that wasn't a mass shooting. I'll give the benefit of the doubt that he probably kept others from being harmed. However, it's not the type of "public assembly" situations we have been discussing - large volumes of people, such as a sporting event or concert, or just a school in general.

Right.. it wasnt a mass shooting because a c.c stopped it. Now had he not stopped before it got to that point, you would have said it doesn't work.

Fact, police stated thats what it would have been.
02-09-2018, 01:56 PM
Coach007

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Originally Posted by Dawg61

I'd like to see them carry a cannon into DWS. I'd buy extra popcorn just to watch them get it all the way to their seat.

Stop changing subjects. You stated the founding fathers did not know that people would have powerful weapons. My point was they most certainly did... private citizens owned cannons.
02-09-2018, 01:57 PM
Dawg61

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Originally Posted by Coach007

Right.. it wasnt a mass shooting because a c.c stopped it. Now had he not stopped before it got to that point, you would have said it doesn't work.

Fact, police stated thats what it would have been.

Just curious on a typical 24 hour day what percentage of it do you have a gun within 5 feet of your body? Do you carry a gun with you at all times every day?
02-09-2018, 01:59 PM
Dawg61

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Originally Posted by Coach007

Stop changing subjects. You stated the founding fathers did not know that people would have powerful weapons. My point was they most certainly did... private citizens owned cannons.

Whose changing subjects? I didn't bring up cannons you did. Cannons don't apply as "concealed carry" weapons do they? Can't conceal them and you can't carry them so brining up cannons that less than 1% of the population owned is well stupid.
02-09-2018, 02:01 PM
Coach007

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Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg

And you are with a concealable pistol I guess. If you pulled it in that situation the most likely result is YOU would be shot by police.

That's MY choice. Not yours. There are not enough police in all of starkville to protect all of starkville and people being shot.... let alone enough to to cover all of starkville and a game with an extra 65!

Can the guard every square foot of that stadium? No

You know that. This is 5he same concept as Chicago. Remove the guns from everybody, but a person who is intent on harming people.
02-09-2018, 02:09 PM
Coach007

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Originally Posted by Dawg61

Whose changing subjects? I didn't bring up cannons you did. Cannons don't apply as "concealed carry" weapons do they? Can't conceal them and you can't carry them so brining up cannons that less than 1% of the population owned is well stupid.

No... You suggested that the Founding Fathers had no idea about powerful weapons and now are trying to apply that to bringing those into a stadium.

The fact is the FFs knew about powerful weapons and knew that weaponry improves. Yet they still wrote it without limitations. Private citizens owned cannons.... People owned more powerful guns through out our history. That's a separate point than CC a weapon into a sports venue.

And you know it.

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