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Dude .. you can't get someone who "doesn't have to learn on the job" for 2 to 3 mill in the SEC. It will take more than that. And any coach from the outside not named Urban Meyer (and maybe 1 or 2 more) will have to learn on the job ... period.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
This post proves how little you know. You honest to God believe that Chad Morris who runs a wide open passing attack woukd start Nick Fitz who can?t complete a pass over 10 yards? Fitz also isn?t better then the UT QB either. Wilson did a heck of a better job then Fitz running this year at Kentucky as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by the_real_MSU_is_us
I?m not even going to get into Guidry (A&M really dude?)
ExactlyQuote:
Originally Posted by dawgday166
Exactly. As an example even the great Saban when he first came to lsu had a learning curve.Quote:
Originally Posted by dawgday166
You do know he is not the only one recruiting, right?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawgology
I think that is where the argument can be made that the recruiting services have a pecking order that seems to be slotted for certain teams. The same teams finish within the same 3 or so slots every year unless they pull off some sort of crazy stunt (see Ole Miss, 2013). I think even if we landed all 18 of those 88+ rated kids, you would have miraculously seen their rating drop just enough to slot us somewhere between 9th and 12th in the SEC. We've already seen that what, a month ago, when they released new ratings and our players either didn't move or dropped.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
Morris would not touch Nick Fitzgerald with a 10-foot pole. Shurmur is light years better at QB than Fitz, and I'd take Franks over Fitz too. Maybe Fitz is better than Guarantano, but he turns the ball over way too much to be the answer at Kentucky. He'd mess up UK's formula of run the ball and play defense. In fact, I think advanced stats have Fitz as the worst QB in the conference this year.Quote:
Originally Posted by the_real_MSU_is_us
Recruiting sites are just like the old magazines and play to certain fan bases. They also know AL is going to win an ass load of games, so they're going to give their guys high rankings when they're marginal. It's not hard to figure out. Lashley, Knott, Davis, all probably drop in ranking if they come to State instead of AL and two of those are busts but give a boost to the ranking.
Are you saying MS people telling him to do something elseQuote:
Originally Posted by Cooterpoot
I don't think that it's quite that slanted ... but it is something similar. In other words, if we got all 18 in-state 4* we'd be higher than 9th in SEC. Probably around 6 or 7.Quote:
Originally Posted by BrunswickDawg
Everyone chill the **** out... Let this play out and see what happens. It’s not a huge shock that Moore decommitted and it won’t be a huge shock if he signs with us come Feb.
WHAAAAAAAATTT???!!!**** REALLYYY!!!???*** C'mon dude.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawg-gone-dawgs
It's his program, his team, he's the boss right now. End of the day he is responsible for every choice his team of recruiters makes whether or not he signed off on it.
I'm not going to list every coach and recruiter and give them a grade. Kudos if you have the time to do that.
What can we do to go get Byron Young away from that broken little man in Tuscaloosa?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ari Gold
I said it months ago , if BY stays in state he will be a Dawg. The odds aren’t good but Wait till after the OV. That may changeQuote:
Originally Posted by Bothrops
No point in worrying about recruiting, things will shake out how they shake out. And if it ends poorly JoMo wont last long which from reading the site would be preferable for most. We get the last visit with Moore, that is usually works against us lets see how Joe closes.
Which ones we sign?
Cunningham
Payton
Walker
Washington
James
Emerson
Which ones we sign?
Cunningham - 100%
Payton - 25%
Walker - 100%
Washington - 50%
James - 25%
Emerson - 10%
Plus
Cunningham - 100%
Payton - 25%
Walker - 100%
Washington - 50%
James - 25%
Emerson - 10%
Pickering - 75%
Duncan - 75%
Plumlee - 50%
Lawrence - 80%
Young - 25%
Moore - 25%
TJ Jones - 10%
Mingo - 25%
The board is not light. That list is full of good players. The question is how many do we get? If we can get 5 or 6 of those, that's a damn good recruiting class. The question is what happens if we only get 3 or 4.Quote:
Originally Posted by Doggie_Style
It's so hard for them to turn down that money for visits and commits etc. Would you decommit for $10k, 25k? $50k? CASH
Cunningham - 100%
Payton - 50%
Walker - 100%
Washington - 60%
James - 60%
Emerson - 25%
Pickering - 100%
Duncan - 50%
Plumlee - 60%
Lawrence - 25%
Young - 25%
Moore - 60%
TJ Jones - 25%
Mingo - 50%
Local people or in Florida?Quote:
Originally Posted by Cooterpoot
From his actions, he seems like Quay Evans 2.0 and not worth the trouble, but I guess we're in no position to pick and choose the baggage we get with a talented player.
If we pull these guys above 50% not sure we could complain. But man that feels like the impossible currently.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cooterpoot
Both to an extent and FL isn't the only school. He's not Quay Evans, not even close.Quote:
Originally Posted by Interpolation_Dawg_EX
I agree with all these numbers tooQuote:
Originally Posted by Cooterpoot
The only player we've got committed I think we definitely lose is Emerson. He's all over Miami and that's just a matter of time. We're already bringing in Duncan for a visit to cover that spot. We'll know more about Mingo and Plumlee in a couple weeks after they visit but Plumlee is headed in positive direction. Mingo is a guess but he's definitely looking hard for a better situation. I can't see Young happening.
Washington is just waiting on FSU and they'd have to miss on some people for him to get that offer. James would be HUGE and things look better there for now. AU can't miss on guys though.
I agreeQuote:
Originally Posted by Scared_Hitless
Auburn has a safety, two corners, and two athletes that could play signed already. Bama has 2 safeties signed and 3 CBs signed with another CB committed. I don't think James is gonna get a Bama offer, but the Auburn offer will be tough as well. But like you said, Auburn could miss.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cooterpoot
Pickering, Plumlee, James, Cunningham, Walker, Duncan would be nice. Add in one or two of the others on that list and I would be extremely happy. That's a top 20 finish in recruiting for sure.
YepQuote:
Originally Posted by Scared_Hitless
Now this is just bullshit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cooterpoot
First, our AD hired a premier coordinator from a successful Power5 team. Before the people most fans were convinced he would be a great coach despite all the past experience with otherwise successful coordinators just not cutting it as head coaches.
But there's just no other way to describe the UK and FLorida games other than atrocious. How many coaches watch our tackles get blown up like that at UK for three quarters before they try to adjust? Moorhead just froze up and shit the bed. It happens and it's not the end of the world, but you can't claim the fans weren't going to accept him regardless. And then he didn't do much better in the florida game.
If our offense had shown up for the bowl game, the bandwagon would still be full. It'd be easy to say yea, there were some growing pains and he didn't have the right pieces for his offense, but after a season in the offense, players were getting it and we'll be fine going forward. But with a full seasona nd bowl practices, he couldn't figure out a way to put together a decent offense with the leading QB rusher in SEC history.
People are understandably concerned by that. Some people are freaking out, which is probably overboard. It looks like Moorhead has a system and he's going to have to recruit players to it because he can't adjust it to match a running QB that's a weak passer. "Has to have players that fit his system and has limited ability to adjust his system to players" probably describes most of the offensive guys with an identifiable system, so that doesn't mean Moorhead won't be good going forward.
My big concern now is that it might be hard to get qbs that fit Moorhead. The pirate can take any undersized player with good accuracy and good decision making and blow up the weaker defense conferences. He can pretty much go grab a grad transfer that meets that description every other year. Moorhead needs a guy that can make decisions, throw an accurate deep ball, and run enough to keep defenses honest, and also has to be big enough to take the punishment of the SEC. That's not a guy you can find on any street corner.
I think he's probably one of their "best available" slots though. That's the concern. I don't think he'll take a grey shirt offer based on what he's said in the past. He plays day one at State.Quote:
Originally Posted by MetEdDawg
Cooter's numbers are pretty accurate, I would go a little higher on Plumlee, though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cooterpoot
1. He's signed his QB.Quote:
Originally Posted by Johnson85
2. We blew up weaker defenses with freaking Fitz at QB. How is that different than what we did?
3. He went and got a transfer just like we tried to do and a lot of our fans lost their shit over it.
4. Mike Leach had 3 straight losing seasons at WSU to start there. He had to get his players.
He's visiting both Iowa and Oregon. Do either of those pose a serious threat? Would he really leave Spanish Fort for Oregon? They only have one CB committedQuote:
Originally Posted by Cooterpoot
I don't know if he would go to those places, but the average recruit isn't going more than 5 hours or 500 miles. I don't see it. I think he's taking trips.
If I am a recruit and Oregon offers me an OV, I am taking it. Hopefully that is what he is doing. We need James he is a stud.
Is Payton still a take with this class? I honestly dont care he wont make the spring with our WR core we should take anyone willing to come.
Fitz was just lost in Moorhead's system. He's a very good player that has some significant limits b/c of his passing, but he's still much better than his stats showed this year. Not sure how many places he would have been a clear starter because the system needs to fit him.Quote:
Originally Posted by bluelightstar
But after Fitz, Aeris and Williams would start or play significant minutes for a lot of SEC teams. I'm not sure anybody on the OL other than Jenkins would start a lot of places, but I think Calhoun and Williams could start at several places and even our OT, while not strong, were not bad to have as a weak link. Don't pay attention enough to other teams to be sure, but I suspect they are no worse than several starters across the SEC.
The real major deficiency (besdies having a QB that doesn't fit the scheme), is wide receiver. I'm not sure who on our team even gets playing time elsewhere. Guidry could probably get on the field based on his measurables? I don't think Mitchell or Austin Williams even make it on the field. I'm not sure if anybody else was as weak as us at WR, but I'm guessing we don't have anybody that would be a top 3 receiver for the best half of units? And nobody that would be the second best receiver on any of the 8th through 11th units?
Yes we get it. Go back in hiding, come out for baseball.Quote:
Originally Posted by CadaverDawg
Here's my measuring stick for our WR's. Find a good or above average team that our WR's would start for or get decent minutes for. Alabama, Auburn, and TAMU are definite no. LSU probably a no. So the teams we aspire to beat and challenge wouldn't have a single one of our guys start or get decent reps for them. That's why I think so much of what we have failed to do in recruiting under Mullen has hampered the effectiveness of this offense this year. Fitz didn't help, but we've had WR problems for years. It's not a Moorhead thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Johnson85
He's so bitter right now, he's grasping for straws. LOLQuote:
Originally Posted by BankerDog