Please provide evidence to the contraryQuote:
Originally Posted by bulldawg28
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Please provide evidence to the contraryQuote:
Originally Posted by bulldawg28
Of your bipolarism?Quote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
Um he?s right. It?s absolutely dead. What are you talking aboutQuote:
Originally Posted by bulldawg28
Unless y’all are in the office and hear what’s going on you have no idea what you’re talking about.
To say recruiting is dead is just dumb. We are fixing to get one maybe two commits in the next two weeks.
Exactly?to say recruiting is dead is completely ignorant of the process. We only have 4-5 spots (at most?plus a healthy dose of the transfer portal) left. This class is 80% locked down already. The coaches are gonna be VERY selective with those last few spotsQuote:
Originally Posted by Hambone
You guys are delusional. We dont have a single 4star committed and have had 2 de commitments over this summer. I swear you all would be content if we filled those last 4-5 spots with 86 ranked guys. And please don?t reply with stars don?t matter or how all our guys are 4stars if they were committed somewhere else
Stars are rigged and like was spoken earlier this class is almost full. It's impossible to have commits weekly or monthly.Quote:
Originally Posted by vv83
There was a video posted I think it was on here where a coach sat down and discussed these rankings. Told personal stories of getting his recruits assigned 4 and 5 stars just to make the players happy.
Also, we had multiple 4 stars on the commit list, however after 24/7 added the ESPN recruiting rankings (ESPN has TWO recruiting analysts) they were all dropped to a 3 star.
Sky is not falling.
Not all of them, but a few would be.Quote:
Originally Posted by vv83
I don't agree with a lot of what he says, but he ain't lying here. We're in a slump and in a bad oneQuote:
Originally Posted by bulldawg28
So was Nicholson indeed a business decision or did we just flat our get outrecruited on him despite the in-state advantage. Surely our business offerings match KY football - we're not talking Auburn or LSU here.
Again - he may prove to have zero natural feel for CB but it's a headscratching loss this early. This staff has done mostly well with Plan Bs except at DB. But right now I think we need to get a feel who might be impact players as there are some solid guys out there but nobody that just flashes right now. Of course you could say the same about guys like RaRa last year as I sure didn't think he'd be the freshman WR to crack the rotation first.
Stars don't matter, as the video that was posted really does point to the almost blatant politicization of recruiting. But, they do matter at the same token. Non of us think that Saban would be Saban without the recruiting classes that he brings in. I think he would be good, but, they would have like 4 less NC than they do right now.
I agree we need to be picky, we don't have a lot of room left, but, it is disconcerting seeing the "lower level" talent that we seem to be bringing in. It looks like we are really going to have to trust they our coaching staff can grade players better than the recruiting services. Which I would hedge a bet on that to some extent.
A couple of things to remember - High School season has started, so we are really down to kids that want official visits and "love" and want to play the recruiting game. If they are being recruited by multiple P5's right now they aren't committing until at least the early signing period. It is a naturally slow period and everyone else is the same way. Our last commit was 8/25. Bama hasn't had a commit since the end of July; Arkansas hasn't since 8/10; Auburn since 8/19; UF had 1 last week, but only 1 other since mid July; Georgia since 8/12; UK has had 2 since July; LSU none since July; Mizzou 3 since July; OM 2 since July; Sc 1 since July; UT 2 since July; A&M none since mid August; Vandy 2 since July
A few things
1. Comparing this recruiting class to Croom is just laughable. We basically have 16 kids committed. Out of those 16, 14 have either multiple SEC &/or at least 5 P5 offers. Let's stop with the hyperbole.
2. We are in a little bit of a lull in recruiting right now but that happens every single year during the season. Look back at the last 5 recruiting classes we've never had many commits happen during the season. '21 - 2 '20 - 1 '19 - 3 '18 - 3 '17 - 0.
3. This class isn't bad. What this class lacks is a headliner. We don't have crown jewel where we can beat our chest & say that's our guy. Will we get 1 by signing day who knows but that's what's missing in this class. It has several SEC caliber players in it.
4. Finally stars matter they always have & always will. It is somewhat a chicken & egg thing. Does a kid get stars based off his offers or does the kid get offers based off his stars? If Saban, Dabo, Kirby, & others are offering you then you should be rated high. They can get the best of the best in the country & they're after you so I'm fine with the "Bama Bump". If anyone has earned that it's Saban. The problem is after the top 100-200 or so kids it's all subjective & personal opinion. That's why the top rated kids are all pretty much the same across the board on every site but then the rest can vary so much based off which site likes which kid more.
This is just going to hurt us even more. So when Bama encourages kids to go into the portal - they will sign 32 four and five star kids, and then a year later encourage more kids to hit the portal and sign 32 more four and five star kids.
This only helps the elite. Sure it may help us some, but just because we can sign someone, doesn't always mean we should.
Helps us on numbers but will hurt on quality.Quote:
Originally Posted by HancockCountyDog
Yeah - but we don't push kids to the portal - and we still have the 85 number to deal with. If you bring in 32 kids in a year, that can hamstring you for the following year. It also go against who we are - a developmental program that can be successful at a high level if we recruit the right type of kid that can be an NFL player with development and time.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
I think it helps a lot.
What do you think we'll do to make it help?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew
Does it hurt us with Zavion?
I hate this thought process! No, offense! I cringed every time I heard a Mullen staffer say this, I feel like it is such a easy way to settle and not push ourselves to higher heights. You would NEVER hear a top tier program talk about being a "developmental program" that would be so insulting to the Saban's of the world. It puts us in the group of "we can never get guys in here that are just ready to play day 1. " I think its fine to tell recruits that we will be the best program at developing you. But, to label us a "developmental program" from this standpoint needs to stop.Quote:
Originally Posted by HancockCountyDog
I'm interested to see what we do with those extra spots. I think this will allow us to take some more WR's and DB's for sure. At least that's what I would do if I were in their shoes barring someone that's basically instant impact at another position. And when I say more I mean 1-2 more WR's and DB's than we originally planned. Which would still leave us three spots for another OL prospect and transfers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew
This would only help us if the rules weren't changing for the elites. In other words, MORE TALENT HOARDED BY THE ELITES. Not to mention more talent getting washed out by them. College football isn't about to make changes that benefit non elite programs, that's counterintuitive to tv revenue.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
I think it helps us get more of those kids that would play for us but sign with Bama. I for one look at this as another juco. Kid signs with UGA, by sophomore year barely sees the field we can now offer him. He comes in with the benefit of having 2 years in a college weight program
Impact here is to be determined - so far the portal has worked to our advantage
Exactly. And it makes our recruiting ranking even more worthless. We added two former four star Army All Americans in the off-season through the portal alone.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawgfan77
This is the bottom lineQuote:
Originally Posted by Bothrops
Wow a rational, well thought out post!Quote:
Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew
Rep!
I have seen a lot more no stars pan out than I have sure fire 5 stars. Just my personal experience. We have ruined these kids with our obsession with this. The RB from Germantown has already made a business decision is what the word is
To be fair there are infinitely more no stars than 5. I think something like 30% of 5 stars go in the first 2 rounds of the draft which is insane.Quote:
Originally Posted by BuckyIsAB****
Well there's thousands of no stars each year and only about 30 5 stars. Of course, there's going to be more that pan out because the pool you're choosing from is bigger. If you crunch the numbers, the % of 5 stars that pan out would be much higher.Quote:
Originally Posted by BuckyIsAB****
Well to be fair - usually there are only about 20-25 five stars nationally every year, and roughly 500-1000 kids with 3 stars or less that sign with P5 programs. The fact 20 3 stars pan out better than 10 of the five stars isn't really moving the needle.Quote:
Originally Posted by BuckyIsAB****
Are we good with the kid from MRA? I know he visited the bears this past weekend according to twitter, I'm just assuming he is enjoying the process.
What kind of logic is this?? Of course. There are 25/50 five stars depending on site. Of course there are going to be more low stars pan out. You're a smart guy. You can surely do the math. Just like the nfl draft. More 3 stars are seated than anything. Makes sense. But a huge percentage of nfl first rounders are 5 stars then 4 etc. there is a correlationQuote:
Originally Posted by BuckyIsAB****
It's a hell of a lot closer on Blanton than people want to make you believe.....Quote:
Originally Posted by HancockCountyDog
Also, can we read anything on Joheim Otis being on campus as much as he’s been?
It doesn?t matter. Again, the white flag has been raised on the football program. The administration doesn?t care and the money boosters (the few we have) don?t care. It?s all about baseball now. Football recruiting no longer matters.Quote:
Originally Posted by Homedawg
The boosters we have still care. And this one is on the staff not the boosters should we have an epic fail.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawgology
Truth! This should've been closed out back in January or February.Quote:
Originally Posted by Homedawg
Correct. The staff slow played him early and now it could potentially bite us in the ass. This was an easy layup that we've completely botched.Quote:
Originally Posted by Homedawg
That is Unbelievable. The program needs a win this weekend and a Blanton commitment in the worst way