I see him more as a rush-stopping DE than a pass rusher.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew
Printable View
I see him more as a rush-stopping DE than a pass rusher.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew
That's fair.Quote:
Originally Posted by KOdawg1
Any known commitment dates or kinda time frames on any of these guys that aren't committed yet? I was hoping with Sawyer committed & recruiting for us, we'd get a couple more in the boat during summer time. But figured some might still want to wait to see the air raid live in action in Starkville.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew
Yep. Give me the guy with speed all day. Speed wins in this league. That's why I'm pumped about being in the game with Knox/Lofton/NabersQuote:
Originally Posted by HailStateSZN19
It's not summer time yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by HailStateSZN19
I'm aware of that IYOK lol. That's why I'm asking about time frames & why I made the summer time comment. Because that's less than a month away.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew
I expect 2-3 WR commit by the end of the summer.Quote:
Originally Posted by HailStateSZN19
I pulled up his video & he's rangy. My first thought was KJ Wright, but I have no idea what his speed is. Kind of a Derrick Hall type maybe.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew
Does he have the speed to play the hybrid 3-4 OLB/DE?
https://www.hudl.com/profile/11034221/Tyvoris-Cooper
THISQuote:
Originally Posted by KOdawg1
The 3-3-5 standup OLB is basically a standup rush end. It just depends on how big he gets.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
Either way, I'm a fan of these types of athletes. Due to their versatility, you usually get your scholly money's worth. Special teams, 3rd down, etc. They can usually help youQuote:
Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew
So, breaking down who we're after & their speed:Quote:
Originally Posted by KOdawg1
Knox- legitimately one of the fastest recruits in the entire country regardless of position, clocked at a 4.42 forty as a sophomore & a 10.4 in the 100m also as a sophomore & a 21.03 in the 200m as a sophomore. (& he's got a 36" vertical). Kid is an absolute weapon.
Lofton- don't know any official listed times but turn on his tape, he's not quite as fast as Knox but he's somewhere in the 4.4's easily. He's got game-changing speed.
Nabers- don't know an official time on him either but he's got to be a high 4.4's or low 4.5's guy who can also elevate and win 50/50 balls. Love his game.
Coleman- probably the most raw but also has the highest ceiling and potential. He's uber athletic and has to be low-mid 4.5's which at his size is freakish. D1 football and basketball kid. Idk what his vertical is but it's got to be ridiculous.
Kanarius Johnson- he's turned into one of my favorite guys we're on. I think he's the 2nd best WR in the state. He's tall and rangy but also pretty physical and probably a high 4.4's or low 4.5's guy.
Jacobi Moore- 6'3"-6'4" kid who is really athletic and raw but has legit mid-late 4.4 speed and is quick twitched too for a taller kid.
Buckhaulter- big, tall physical kid. Probably a mid-late 4.5 if I had to guess. But he is really good at high pointing the ball. I'd love to sign him at Safety and take another WR.
I doubt a lot of those guys run legit 4.4's.Quote:
Originally Posted by HailStateSZN19
I got bored, so I decided to make a wish-list of 2021 recruits by position. Not saying I think we get all of them, but these are guys I think we have a realistic chance with.
QB:
Sawyer Robertson
Ty Keyes
RB:
Amariyon Howard
Carlois Walker
That is if it's a two RB class. If they only take one, I'd prefer Walker bc I've seen him in person and I think he's going to be a stud, but they both need to be evaluated more.
WR:
Deion Smith (long shot)
Theodore Knox
Malik Nabers
Keon Coleman
Kanarius Johnson
Jacobi Moore
Brandon Buckhaulter
De'wain Lofton
Get five of these, and I'll be happy.
OL:
Makylan Pounders
Rod Orr
Caleb Etienne (Juco)
Weston Franklin
Jakiah Leftwich
Reid Gavin (if we miss on a couple of those above)
DL:
Nick Dimitris
Ty Cooper
Jamond Gordon (Juco)
Byron Murphy
Devin Lee
Hopefully some new targets emerge
LB:
Navonteque Strong (Juco)
Timar Rogers
Prince Kollie
Chase Smith
Thomas Davis
Again, when summer hits and kids can start being evaluated again, I expect some new names to emerge.
CB:
Justin Walley
Cortez Eatmon (Juco)
Jadarrius Perkins (Juco)
S:
Kadarius Calloway
Corey Ellington
Thumbtack this list and let?s keep it updated! Great post!Quote:
Originally Posted by KOdawg1
Losing Deion Smith will mean that for 4 straight years the top recruit in MS will have left.
Pretty terrible
Walker is a good RB from the film I watched of NC during his sophomore year. I trust our coaches evals, but I was told he couldn?t catch a cold. They said he?d be a monster in Mullen?s MSU offense, but has a lot of work to do to fit what Leach does.Quote:
Originally Posted by KOdawg1
I doubt people are still taking this bait from you.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
Malik Heath was the top recruit in MS in 2018 by both the composite and 247 rankings. Charles Cross was the top recruit in MS for 2019 by 247.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
I stand corrected. Akers was the year before.Quote:
Originally Posted by msu15
Akers
Heath
Dean - higher rated than Cross.
Jackson
Smith
So that 4 of 5 years. That's not good
Unless you think it's good. Do you think this is a good job by MSU? only Heath actually took a visit to MSU. Think about that
What do you mean? What bait?Quote:
Originally Posted by bulldawg28
He's good. He's deceptively quick on his second and third step. He uses his length well. He's got good ability to use his hands and get off of blocks. My biggest issue with him is he plays "high". He naturally get high in his stance and it causes him to lose some quickness and agility in the backfield. But he's got a motor to chase down some of those plays.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
Any negatives I saw can be corrected. If he can get rid of getting high, he can massively improve his leverage at the line and get that first step burst to get faster.
I'm curious to see if that changes under Leach. I think a lot of that was Dan's fault. He didn't recruit hard enough to get very many of the non-diamonds in the rough and even worse he didn't beat the big names enough. If he had beaten Alabama even once to go along with a 9 win regular season with an Egg Bowl win I think the blue-chip recruits would start to buy into the MSU brand a little more. Of course, we prided ourselves on developing diamonds in the rough and while I think that's a good thing I'm sure the bluebloods used that against us some- "You're not a diamond the rough. Come to Alabama, LSU, Georgia, or wherever and play with the other bluechips like you."Quote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
You're isolating the #1 player. The last 4 classes we've signed 10 out of the 20 kids in the Top 5. No other school has more than 2. So why we may not have signed the #1 player instate the few years we've done really well with the Top 5.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
What's anyone's opinion on Howard? He's got a really low ranking. He committed to Joe's staff didn't he? Is he the typical underrated MS kid who is actually a baller, is he a good fit for this scheme, could we possibly find someone a little more talented than him or are we even actively recruiting many RB's? Just haven't seen a ton on RB recruiting. It'd be a sticky situation to drop a Starkville kid but is he talented enough to be the only RB we sign if we are just signing 1 or is this a 2 RB class?
So you think it's a good think we continue to miss on the top player?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew
I think it's overblown if we're getting half of the top 5. Of course I'd love to get all the best players but that don't mean it's embarrassing if we don't get #1 if we're getting 2, 4, & 5. I don't expect you to agree & that's cool. You've been beating this #1 player drum for a while.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
Kid got almost no film. Need to see more. Power back.Quote:
Originally Posted by HailStateSZN19
https://www.hudl.com/video/3/1095419...aa790fccb0d20eQuote:
Originally Posted by Cooterpoot
Looks like he has good vision and can catch.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew
It happens. The top player in every SEC state typically has their choice of whatever school they want to attend.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
An example: 2021 will be the first time UGA has signed the top player in GA since 2015.
MS is special though... Don't you know it shouldn't happen to us? Surely these kids have pride in where they come from. They should be loyal.******Quote:
Originally Posted by BrunswickDawg
The reality is we're going to have to start beating people like Alabama, LSU, and Georgia some like I said for us to start pulling those players even more consistently than we are. When Jackie did that we started to pull players like Dontae Walker and Jerious Norwood.Quote:
Originally Posted by StateDawg44
That's why we pull top players in state in baseball. We've shown that we can beat top teams consistently and get to Omaha. I think a lot of players in Mississippi want to play for their state- but they also want to compete for championships too. Some still come to MSU anyway of course.
If Leach can beat Alabama 20% of the time we will start pulling the best players.
That's interesting. I bet Georgia has a lot more competition for in state players compared to us though. Tennessee, Alabama, Auburn, Clemson, and South Carolina are relying a lot on Georgia talent I would imagine. And probably a little bit from Florida State and Florida too. Also, I think Georgia Tech hasn't been as much of a factor just because of the type of scheme that they ran under Paul Johnson and I'm sure that has greatly affected their recruiting across the board.Quote:
Originally Posted by BrunswickDawg
Doesn't look fast but can pound it. I don't see him as a feature back in the SEC.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew
You make a good point. In fact, I was trying to remember when the last time it was that we beat a team that finished the regular season with 9 or more wins? I really don't know.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
Damn! UGA should be embarrassed. ***Quote:
Originally Posted by BrunswickDawg
But... GA has ~5x the population of MS too. You would think that UGA would covet the #1 player from GA, but hell, they're probably taking the #1 from some other state.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
That has a bit to do with it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
Here is where it gets crazy and I think will start to cost UGA -
They signed only 3 of the Top 25 players in Georgia this year, and only 8 Georgia kids in this class. The majority of their roster is now from out of state.
Funny you picked 9. In 2014, we beat 3-4 teams that won 8 games.Quote:
Originally Posted by maroonmania