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No we were not. But most looked at it as a package deal. The last thing I heard this morning was that the mother and father both wanted him at State. That backed up what Steve said about 30 minutes ago. So be interesting to hear the real story on that one. Lockhart is very impressionable and so it truly could just come down to he went to a cool program. I will be honest, it would not surprise me in the least bit if he's in the portal after spring practice.Quote:
Originally Posted by KB21
I'd be willing to bet that those two do not have spots on Ole Miss's roster right now.Quote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
I can tell you that outside of Blanton, Jennings, Tillman, and Mitchell-Hurtzler did not like the LB room.Quote:
Originally Posted by KB21
Not really. And the family were not happy with the decision.Quote:
Originally Posted by KB21
This will wind up being the day that we needed to finally get our stuff in line and organized. It?s happened under Mullen administration, and in typical state fashion we did not capitalize.Quote:
Originally Posted by Really Clark?
After what happened today, we need to publicly release Turner today and AT BEST demote Hutzler and make it clear we understand we have issues and are doing what we can to right the shipQuote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
They're not happy at all. But at the end of the day, they had to sign those papers. Had they really been that unhappy with it, they could've said you're going to Mississippi State.Quote:
Originally Posted by Really Clark?
17ing clown show football program
It's almost like the staff doesn't look at our future schedule. We are going to lose like Saddam Hussein.
I'm surprised more people don't do this. Negotiate a nice six figure signing bonus to flip and start the monthly payments, then leave in May and go wherever you want.Quote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
Because coaches see that. I get the "get your bag" or "take care of your family" sentiment but for these kids, and especially a flip, to commit to a school in December and then leave in April is beyond a bad look. However, I would say it has a pretty good chance of happening on this one. Now again, his parents could have been feeding State people BS but from what I was told this morning, they went to bed last night and woke up this morning still wanting him at Mississippi State.Quote:
Originally Posted by confucius say
Just confirmed this is correct. Spot may open up, but they do not have a spot as of now. I think Lockhart was told earlier in the process that they would make spots for the older one and Clark, but I don't think those spots exist at the moment. I do not expect Lockhart back in Starkville either. He lied to the coaches.Quote:
Originally Posted by KB21
I reeeeeeaaaallly hope you all are now beginning to see what I’ve been preaching. We need a change age in administration. That is, administration that has been involved in state athletics for far too long. It’s time for a big change. Until those changes are made expect the same returns. We have the same administration/booster pals making the same type of hire that are either A) their buddies or B) young/new to the job and easily controlled. As I said previously, be prepared to be left out when conference realignment hits in a few years. It’s over.
I 100% see this happening at some point. May be farther down the road than a few years though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawgology
I'm warming up to that idea. I'm probably cool with it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawgology
So we lost two 4 stars and flipped one 4 star. All defense. We done for the day?
I'm getting to the point that I just don't care anymore even though Im still giving to NIL. Been hearing we had on the order of 20 million dollars to spend on players this off season and we start off by losing two of our best commits.
Beginning to think we will never compete in this new college football landscape. And what was the reason we needed to keep Hutzler at least through Signing Day? I've never really thought OM would totally pass us by until pay for play became necessary. Now I have little doubt they will.
NIL didn't cost us the players that flipped today. We didn't get out bid, just out recruited.Quote:
Originally Posted by maroonmania
Not sure how someone like Lebby and Hutzler who both have seen this game on the other side at Ole Miss, OU, and Alabama aren?t prepared. I guess you have to delegate out a certain amount but if we got out worked at the position coach level then heads should rollQuote:
Originally Posted by Really Clark?
I wonder if it occurs to some of you that some players just have zero interest in coming to State.
It does but then people would have to admit that unless you grew up a State fan, went to State, or are currently a student at State; Starkville is not exactly a desirable place for the average 18-21 year old. Moreso for athletes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Offshore Dawg
The truth is if we even go 5-7 and show promise we probably get Cunningham, Lockhart, and etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by Really Clark?
The Toledo game killed our chances with Cunningham. That was his OV and we sucked that night. Plain and simple. The Lockhart thing will remain a mystery til someone talks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
I don't blame Cunningham at all.
I do not think the Lockhart thing is hard to figure out. His brother and buddy didnt sniff the field while we went 2-10; The bears almost made the playoffs and Im sure made a big nil offer.Quote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
I do not understand how we missed on Cunningham. Our NIL offer should have been obscene.
That's the kind of thing I'm talking about. We can't lay an egg against people like Toledo.Quote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
I don't know about Lockhart but I think I saw where he said something to the effect of he liked how Ole Miss played defense. They took at least a couple of more players that were leans to us at one point in time too- Dunn and Cortez Thomas. Probably for the same reason. No one wants to play for a dumpster fire.
Yep, the whole defensive staff sucks but the day Lebby hired Hutzler was maybe the worst day MSU football has seen recently. There was a reason our staff couldn't pull defensive portal players last year and there is a reason that we had multiple de-commitments from HS defensive recruits this year and that reason is a DC that no players have any faith in.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
It just takes a handful of kids who don’t care about where they are and just want to buy a Hellcat. There’s truth in what you’re saying. There’s truth in the fact that some kids just don’t care where they are and will go to the highest bidder.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
I’ll reserve judgement until portal closes.
Boys I have been trying to tell yall for a while that this is not going to end well. I have been getting raged at but this is not the last embarrassing day we will have with Lebby Keenum and selmon.
The issue is the ones who want to come to state, who have friends/family at state, and whose parents want them to go to state b/c we are afraid to commit to paying and recruiting players. We are afraid to commit to a professional, modern production in game day, etc. this can be directly attributed to gold bricking personnel that litter the athletic department. Big changes are needed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Offshore Dawg
This class is literally comparable to every class that Leach brought in here. I’m not saying you’re completely wrong. It’s just not much different than the usual.Quote:
Originally Posted by BuckyIsAB****
I dont remember leach going 2-10 and getting destroyed by ToledoQuote:
Originally Posted by Brobi-wan
Bro please we are begging you. You have your own thread you made with the same ad nauseam talking points just keep it there and let?s keep this one for recruiting.Quote:
Originally Posted by BuckyIsAB****
Lebby Tweeting? anyone big still out there we are expecting? Jackson Arnold? https://x.com/coach_leb/status/18645...AiOwVOmMGHXcTA
Yes, something is brewing. Weird chatterQuote:
Originally Posted by DEDawg
Any info? It?s chatter on JA?Quote:
Originally Posted by Really Clark?
It is Lockhart related.
Lockhart has signed his papers and it ain?t with Ole Miss. what a day for Hutz! Jeff Lebby welcome to the big time. Wow
No, not sure I'm suppose say much or who it's about as it's being flushed out. But it's a recruit from today is what I'm told.Quote:
Originally Posted by DEDawg
No wayQuote:
Originally Posted by BankerDog