I think we may be making a change...

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Originally Posted by Dawgology

Stop and look at what you are typing. This is where you want our program?

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It's never been anything but that. Sure 2014 was great, but it was just a winning season- not a championship season, and it certainly wasn't the norm.

Just 2 years after our number one season we were 5-7 and winning the Egg Bowl possibly saved Mullen's job. Smoking that stupid ass cigar after going 5-7 was embarrassing, but our fan base slurped it up.

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Originally Posted by THE Bruce Dickinson

If it really is going down, I truly hope you are correct.

If Hudspeth is the guy im going to be disappointed, and I have a feeling that's who it will end up being this late in the game.

And for all of the people that use "Joe put us on probation" as one of the reasons for possible dismissal need to take a long look at Hudspeth. Dude hired Barney Farrar.

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Does hud coach at Jones c.c.

The thing I got out of Rosebowel live facebook. Jughead won't be fired. They will crow about how awesome the team looks in the spring after shuffling and changing assistants. Which won't change shit. They think us bullies will calm down and buy back in next fall.
Why won't we fire this no good con artist ? Does he have pics of John ? Are we that broke that we can't buy him out ? It's clear by now what this bum is.
It's no wonder that we cuck out every time the NCAA needs a whipping boy, MSU is too broke to fight them off at all .

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Originally Posted by THE Bruce Dickinson

Sure 2014 was great, but it was just a winning season- not a championship season

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Uh...it was more than that, lol. It elevated our brand in ways you can't put a price on. Did it end in us winning the rock? No, but its a major reason why I've got students all the **** way up here in Massachusetts who know what MSU is....

Don’t suppose I could be lucky enough to see both JoMo & Jason Garrett exit at the same time. Yeah, I know, better chance of shark attack on freeway .... yada, yada, yada.
But I still hold on to hope.

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Originally Posted by THE Bruce Dickinson

Because I don't think we are in a position to fire coaches after 2 years that have a winning record (This is a fact).

It's true that I do not like where the program seems to be headed, but from an outsider's perspective it really doesn't seem like he has done all that bad.Maybe a little underwhelming, but not a complete disaster. It could discourage future coaching candidates by making them believe that the fan base's expectations are too high.

If he continues to digress I would be in favor of letting him go next season.

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The biggest difference is it's not just about won/loss record. The fight and things like that off the field are embarrassing to the University and reflect a lack of control off the field. And if my math is correct he's only 14-12 so it's not like we're talking about firing Allyn McKeen here. Cann and Stansbury both had winning records at MSU and both were fired after off the field incidents occurred. And Stansbury had built up at least 10x more equity than Joe has. I think the suspensions in general- not just Tutor Gate or even just Shrader and Gay- are the actual tipping point here. I outlined it last night. Every position group except TE has had at least one player suspended for one matter or another. Tutor Gate was really actually only HALF of it- which says a lot considering how many were involved in that one incident alone.

And let's all be honest here- most of us would have suspended Gay for the Music City Bowl if we were in Joe's shoes. I sure as hell would have suspended Gay and Shrader for one game at a minimum. And if I was in a bad mood I would have told them to donate their bowl gifts to charity. Some may consider that over the top but I guarantee you that everybody on the team would think twice about fighting anyone after that.

We are by far the most disorganized team in the SEC I have seen this year. Heck- even the highlight of the year began because of a bust in coverage which was in part because of a lack of discipline.

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Originally Posted by Really Clark?

He didn’t hire Farrar.

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Who am I thinking about ? Saunders? Whoever left them on probation

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Originally Posted by bobtail bob

The thing I got out of Rosebowel live facebook. Jughead won't be fired. They will crow about how awesome the team looks in the spring after shuffling and changing assistants. Which won't change shit. They think us bullies will calm down and buy back in next fall.
Why won't we fire this no good con artist ? Does he have pics of John ? Are we that broke that we can't buy him out ? It's clear by now what this bum is.
It's no wonder that we cuck out every time the NCAA needs a whipping boy, MSU is too broke to fight them off at all .

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Not sure how you got that out of what Steve said.

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Originally Posted by THE Bruce Dickinson

Who am I thinking about ? Saunders? Whoever left them on probation

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Saunders, correct.

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Originally Posted by bobtail bob

The thing I got out of Rosebowel live facebook. Jughead won't be fired. They will crow about how awesome the team looks in the spring after shuffling and changing assistants. Which won't change shit. They think us bullies will calm down and buy back in next fall.
Why won't we fire this no good con artist ? Does he have pics of John ? Are we that broke that we can't buy him out ? It's clear by now what this bum is.
It's no wonder that we cuck out every time the NCAA needs a whipping boy, MSU is too broke to fight them off at all .

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I didn't get that at all. He in fact stated that JM's dismissal is a distinct possibility. SR is never going to say that our coach is absolutely going to be let go until the university has already announced such a thing.

You know how you don't fire people after two years?

You hire better coaches. You make damn well that the people you hire are ready and proven for the position.

We are an SEC 17ing West Football program. You act like.

I find it funny how people still want to chase the shiny object with a coach like Joe Brady who clearly isn't experienced enough or ready for the job. You simply cannot do that.

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Originally Posted by THE Bruce Dickinson

I do not like the direction the program is head and I do think Moorhead should get another year.

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Maybe putting some ice cream on this hot pile of steaming shit next year will make it more palatable.

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Originally Posted by KB21

Not sure how you got that out of what Steve said.

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I actually had a similar take to what Steve said. He didn't close door on new HC tho and Steve is in favor of that.

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

The biggest difference is it's not just about won/loss record. The fight and things like that off the field are embarrassing to the University and reflect a lack of control off the field. And if my math is correct he's only 14-12 so it's not like we're talking about firing Allyn McKeen here. Cann and Stansbury both had winning records at MSU and both were fired after off the field incidents occurred. And Stansbury had built up at least 10x more equity than Joe has. I think the suspensions in general- not just Tutor Gate or even just Shrader and Gay- are the actual tipping point here. I outlined it last night. Every position group except TE has had at least one player suspended for one matter or another. Tutor Gate was really actually only HALF of it- which says a lot considering how many were involved in that one incident alone.

And let's all be honest here- most of us would have suspended Gay for the Music City Bowl if we were in Joe's shoes. I sure as hell would have suspended Gay and Shrader for one game at a minimum. And if I was in a bad mood I would have told them to donate their bowl gifts to charity. Some may consider that over the top but I guarantee you that everybody on the team would think twice about fighting anyone after that.

We are by far the most disorganized team in the SEC I have seen this year. Heck- even the highlight of the year began because of a bust in coverage which was in part because of a lack of discipline.

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Exactly, with Croom I felt we were poorly coached and had very little SEC level talent but never felt the culture of the program was decaying. In fact, Croom restored a lot of the culture within the program lost during the final years of JWS. I do appreciate him for that even though I thought when he showed up he ran off many more players than he should have.

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Originally Posted by BeardoMSU

Uh...it was more than that, lol. It elevated our brand in ways you can't put a price on. Did it end in us winning the rock? No, but its a major reason why I've got students all the **** way up here in Massachusetts who know what MSU is....

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Massafrigginchusetts????!!!! Who tha eff drug your Southern ass all the way up there?

I've got your file under review***

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Originally Posted by OLJWales

Maybe putting some ice cream on this hot pile of steaming shit next year it will be more palatable

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Probably just hedging.

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Originally Posted by KB21

Not sure how you got that out of what Steve said.

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Oh sure he ripped jughead a little but he is appeasing the masses .Then he added that part about the assistants being changed for sure. That was planting the seed per his controllers.
I'm a little bit of a cynic, So I could be wrong . I still have the question though, Why won't they fire this program killer ?

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Originally Posted by BeardoMSU

With that thin of skin, he might as well coach Upward Basketball or something in that vein, lol.

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Have you ever coached upwards basketball? Them mommas and grandmommas ain?t playing that crap***

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Originally Posted by dawgday166

I actually had a similar take to what Steve said. He didn't close door on new HC tho and Steve is in favor of that.

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which says a lot because he is the sunshine pumper of all sunshine pumpers when it comes to MSU athletics.

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Originally Posted by HoopsDawg

Moorhead was just a bad hire. Mullen was a great hire. Both were coordinators. Again, I really think it's a moot point, but I'm just saying I personally would be pumped with Brady.

I have concerns about Naiper's system. His track record as a head coach isn't that long. Bill Clark is kind of a boring hire. Hud is where he needs to be. We probably aren't stealing another Power 5 head coach.

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Bill Clark is a winner. He can coach circles around Moorhead and is a great motivator. UAB plays hard every single snap