2019 Recruiting Thread

Ok, let's get back on track and evaluate where we are going into the Fall evaluation period:

SIGNEE LIMIT 25 and I think we sign that many

COMMITS 16 but I don't know if Richardson makes it through and you have to account for at least 1 flip

POSITION BREAKDOWN

QB - 1 (done)
RB - 0 (probably sign 2 unless we get Emery somehow)
WR - 2 (need 2 more)
TE - 0 (done)
OL - 3 (take 5 probaby)

DT - 2 (done)
DE - 2 (done)
LB - 1 (need 2)
DB - 5 (one more and I'm including Purvis here)

So we've got 9 spots to fill and probably 10-11 when it's all said and done. Probably 4 of these are RB/WR, 2/3 OL, 2 LB and a DB

I think we'll start to see a lot of new names pop up if we product on the field.

But where a team like MSU has to make up ground is finding the kid that's a late bloomer physically or maybe hasn't yet but has the baseline talent to be a really good player. And i'm not talking about the 5'11" center type, but we have to find the Dillon Day types. The safety that might be a step slow for that position but can put on 25 pounds and be a LB. You can't fill your class with those guys but we need to take 1-2 shots a year. Rayburn appears to be that type of guy we're evaluating, I'm sure there are others.

I don't think we have room for 25 probably more like 22-23 based on 85 total. If you assume Richardson doesn't make it we have 15 commits and 8 more positions to fill. We currently have a great chance to get Hubbard, Sharp and Burdine. That leaves 5. We need to sign 1-2 RBs, maybe 1 more WR, maybe 1 more OL and 2 LB's. Someone mentioned that if we sign Burdine we are considering moving J. Jones to WR so we could go without adding another WR.

Just my opinion

1-2 RB (leaning 1)
0-1 WR (Depends on secondary finish could push Jarrian or Purvis to offense)
2-3 OL (2 for sure 3 if we don't keep Richardson)
0-1 DL (would have to be a stud)
1-2 LB
1-2 DB

I could see us taking - full 25 esp if 1 or 2 are sign & place guys.

I think we're at 82-83 on the roster. We have 17 Sr's plus Simmons so that gives us 20-21 scholarships. Of course a Cole, Guidry, or Leo could have amazing seasons & leave but I'm not banking on that right now. There's always 1 or 2 guys who move on each off season plus 1-2 sign & place guys we seem to have. That would get us right to 25. Technically we could sign 27 if there was more attrition after the season than normal but That's getting ahead of ourselves.

Don't forget we lost Todd and you have to assume at least 1 leaves for some reason. I think we get at least 23 and good shot at 25.

Just need to throw up some big numbers the first few games to get a couple of the offensive targets excited.

I don't worry about finding some LB's

What do you guys think about next season? We'll lose quite a few guys, but I feel like we should be solid again. Should still have a great DL, and could return all 3 starters at LB in Leo, Gay, and Errol. CB should return 1 of 2, and safety will be inexperienced but talented. OL will have a few new faces but a solid core. KT should provide a comfortable transition from Fitz, and Hill/Gibson are men at RB. WR will be better due to experience alone unless we lose Guidry. We'll lose some absolute stars in Simmons and Sweat, but if there's ever a position we can afford to lose two NFL guys at, it's probably this DL group.

Thoughts? And where do you guys see concerns creeping up in the next few years if we don't get a couple of key positions recruited in this class? RB, OL, CB, and LB appear to be the biggest needs for our 2020 team and beyond through my eyes, but I may be wrong.

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Originally Posted by CadaverDawg

What do you guys think about next season? We'll lose quite a few guys, but I feel like we should be solid again. Should still have a great DL, and could return all 3 starters at LB in Leo, Gay, and Errol. CB should return 1 of 2, and safety will be inexperienced but talented. OL will have a few new faces but a solid core. KT should provide a comfortable transition from Fitz, and Hill/Gibson are men at RB. WR will be better due to experience alone unless we lose Guidry. We'll lose some absolute stars in Simmons and Sweat, but if there's ever a position we can afford to lose two NFL guys at, it's probably this DL group.

Thoughts? And where do you guys see concerns creeping up in the next few years if we don't get a couple of key positions recruited in this class? RB, OL, CB, and LB appear to be the biggest needs for our 2020 team and beyond through my eyes, but I may be wrong.

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2019 should be solid. Mostly because of everything you mentioned above, but also because it'll be one more year to learn JoMo's system. Hopefully, Shoop can break the DC curse we have here and stay for more than one year.

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Originally Posted by CadaverDawg

What do you guys think about next season? We'll lose quite a few guys, but I feel like we should be solid again. Should still have a great DL, and could return all 3 starters at LB in Leo, Gay, and Errol. CB should return 1 of 2, and safety will be inexperienced but talented. OL will have a few new faces but a solid core. KT should provide a comfortable transition from Fitz, and Hill/Gibson are men at RB. WR will be better due to experience alone unless we lose Guidry. We'll lose some absolute stars in Simmons and Sweat, but if there's ever a position we can afford to lose two NFL guys at, it's probably this DL group.

Thoughts? And where do you guys see concerns creeping up in the next few years if we don't get a couple of key positions recruited in this class? RB, OL, CB, and LB appear to be the biggest needs for our 2020 team and beyond through my eyes, but I may be wrong.

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Pretty good assessment. We definitely need a good RB this class I think we end up with 1. CB's are big in this class & James & Brooks are a good start. Need 1 more legit SEC caliber CB & I'll feel better. We need legit OL just from a #'s perspective because I think we will have very solid starting lineups the next 2-3 years. I think we signed a very good LB class last year (Jett, Watson, & Brule) need a couple more this year to keep the shelves stocked. Another really good WR would be great but I think Jarrian Jones is that good & is on the same level as Mingo & Dannis (watch his film). A good close to this class &
Another top 20 class next year sets up JoeMo for long term success.

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Originally Posted by CadaverDawg

What do you guys think about next season? We'll lose quite a few guys, but I feel like we should be solid again. Should still have a great DL, and could return all 3 starters at LB in Leo, Gay, and Errol. CB should return 1 of 2, and safety will be inexperienced but talented. OL will have a few new faces but a solid core. KT should provide a comfortable transition from Fitz, and Hill/Gibson are men at RB. WR will be better due to experience alone unless we lose Guidry. We'll lose some absolute stars in Simmons and Sweat, but if there's ever a position we can afford to lose two NFL guys at, it's probably this DL group.

Thoughts? And where do you guys see concerns creeping up in the next few years if we don't get a couple of key positions recruited in this class? RB, OL, CB, and LB appear to be the biggest needs for our 2020 team and beyond through my eyes, but I may be wrong.

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I think that's basically right but you are underplaying the value that Simmons and Sweat have as playmakers. Even when you are replacing him with a good player, it's just a major difference to go from a star like Simmons that offenses have to specifically account for each game to just a good player. Same with Sweat to a lesser extent.

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Originally Posted by Johnson85

I think that's basically right but you are underplaying the value that Simmons and Sweat have as playmakers. Even when you are replacing him with a good player, it's just a major difference to go from a star like Simmons that offenses have to specifically account for each game to just a good player. Same with Sweat to a lesser extent.

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Agreed

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Originally Posted by Johnson85

I think that's basically right but you are underplaying the value that Simmons and Sweat have as playmakers. Even when you are replacing him with a good player, it's just a major difference to go from a star like Simmons that offenses have to specifically account for each game to just a good player. Same with Sweat to a lesser extent.

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Simmons will by far be tougher to replace. Sweat is amazing but between Rivers, Spencer, Kobe, & Fletcher I think we'll be fine with the pass rush.

The loss of Simmons will be somewhat mitigated by the returning LBs. Not completely though. Inside run D will take a step back with Simmons, Thomas, and Brown all leaving. Youth at S will probably lead to a few blown coverages/missed tackles. However, the DE's and CBs will be good, and the LB experience should help mitigate the S mistakes. If last year our D was a 90, and '16 was a 60, my guess this year is a 95 and next year is an 85. Still good but still not on the elite level

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Originally Posted by Johnson85

I think that's basically right but you are underplaying the value that Simmons and Sweat have as playmakers. Even when you are replacing him with a good player, it's just a major difference to go from a star like Simmons that offenses have to specifically account for each game to just a good player. Same with Sweat to a lesser extent.

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Look at the freshmen who will be RS freshmen, like Lovett and others and look at 2019 commits we have folks in the pipeline.

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Originally Posted by msbulldog

Look at the freshmen who will be RS freshmen, like Lovett and others and look at 2019 commits we have folks in the pipeline.

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Lovett is no Simmons but I get the gist of what you're saying.

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Originally Posted by bulldawg28

Lovett is no Simmons but I get the gist of what you're saying.

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Pickering might be.

Pickering isn’t. He’s more Willie Blade. Simmons might be the best that’s been here. I think he’s better than Fletch was while he was here.

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Originally Posted by Cooterpoot

Pickering isn’t. He’s more Willie Blade. Simmons might be the best that’s been here. I think he’s better than Fletch was while he was here.

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I'm not going that far yet. However, looking back we've had some really good talent come through State. Sometimes we get caught upin stars and fail to realize it.

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Originally Posted by bulldawg28

Lovett is no Simmons but I get the gist of what you're saying.

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Lovett is a solid 4 star DL IMO. Not quite a Simmons, but could develop into one. I have never seen a more nasty attitude DL recruit in all my years watching high school football. I will be surprised if he doesn't get kicked out of at least 3-4 games due to personal fouls for roughing or targeting. Has a mean streak a mile wide. Makes Simmons look kind of nice on the field. Coaches will have to work a great deal with him to keep him in games. He doesn't want to tackle his man, he wants to put him in the hospital. The way football rules have changed over the last 4-5 years, there will be some issues with Fabien regarding this.

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Originally Posted by Pit Bull

Lovett is a solid 4 star DL IMO. Not quite a Simmons, but could develop into one. I have never seen a more nasty attitude DL recruit in all my years watching high school football. I will be surprised if he doesn't get kicked out of at least 3-4 games due to personal fouls for roughing or targeting. Has a mean streak a mile wide. Makes Simmons look kind of nice on the field. Coaches will have to work a great deal with him to keep him in games. He doesn't want to tackle his man, he wants to put him in the hospital. The way football rules have changed over the last 4-5 years, there will be some issues with Fabien regarding this.

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Kinda reminds you of Dillon Day.

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Originally Posted by Pit Bull

Lovett is a solid 4 star DL IMO. Not quite a Simmons, but could develop into one. I have never seen a more nasty attitude DL recruit in all my years watching high school football. I will be surprised if he doesn't get kicked out of at least 3-4 games due to personal fouls for roughing or targeting. Has a mean streak a mile wide. Makes Simmons look kind of nice on the field. Coaches will have to work a great deal with him to keep him in games. He doesn't want to tackle his man, he wants to put him in the hospital. The way football rules have changed over the last 4-5 years, there will be some issues with Fabien regarding this.

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Sounds like a Nick Fairley. And if we get that kind of production out of him I'll be completely fine with the worry that he might get kicked out. Those types of guys affect the game from a mental level more than a physical level.

I posted this on 247 earlier this morning and thought that y'all may be interested, as well. At minimum maybe it would start some good discussion...

Basically it is a 0-5 rating of a player based on their top 20 claimed offers as validated across the three main recruiting services. It takes the weight of each offer and compiles the average which is what you see in the rating column. Weights are determined by strength of record over the last 5 seasons, blue blood status, NFL draft picks and the quality of those picks (obviously 1st rd pick weighing the most and 7th round pick the least), bowl games & wins with different weights, etc...

I included MS JUCO prospects with HS players, as an FYI:
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